<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">In taking a gun away from someone, such as a felon or mental case (often much worse than a felon having one), how often do we take away the ability to go on living? If we are talking about ghetto living (any color, any nationality, any religion) you can take them away but there are so many illegal guns around they will get another for sure since they think they need it to live. They may be right. Outside the ghetto, how many people have lost their lives because they did not have a gun? How many people pull out a gun only to be killed by someone more adept at its use? Or kill someone thought to be an intruder (often a family member).</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">Overall: just how important is a gun to our very survival? I think having a gun and maybe using it saves very few lives and takes a lot more just through accidental use by kids and such. I would certainly confiscate guns, used by kids to kill one another or themselves, from their parents and prohibit their getting any more (other than rifles and shotguns and maybe even then mandate strong protection from their accidental use - triggerlocks and whatever- ideally not able to be used by anyone other than the owner, just like the scifi novels- just when is this tech coming?). </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">Bottom line: I support guns up to but not including automatic weapons for everyone except mental cases and felons. You?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 9:02 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gabe Waggoner via extropy-chat<br><br><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black">Do these square with what you know or think? bill w<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">>….I'm curious where this graphic came from. If this were a figure in something I were asked to edit, I'd query about the wording "pro anti-discrimination" to get inside the mind of the writer…Gabe<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">I thought that one was weird too Gabe. It would be clearer if written anti-pro-discrimination.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">Regarding the second amendment stuff, that one too is not at all clear. Gun rights have traditionally been associated with the right, but the strongest second amendment advocates are really better classified far left. The constitution recognizes Americans’ right to bear arms, but states and cities claim the authority to ban them under amendment 9 and 10, and nearly everyone recognizes the right of the government to ban felons from bearing arms.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">The strongest second amendment advocates claim the right to bear arms unconditionally, anywhere regardless of their legal status as convicts, but do not go along with other notions typically associated with the political right-wing, only that one.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">It is time to rethink a lot of this, and update it.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt">spike<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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