<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr">About Sturgis this year and last:</div><div dir="ltr"><h1 class="headline h1" data-type="text" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-size: 20px; position: relative; color: rgb(49, 49, 49); font-family: "Open Sans", sans-serif; -webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%;"><br></h1><h1 class="headline h1" data-type="text" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-size: 20px; position: relative; color: rgb(49, 49, 49); font-family: "Open Sans", sans-serif; -webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%;">South Dakota COVID cases explode after Sturgis motorcycle rally</h1></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.alternet.org/2021/08/south-dakota-sturgis/?share_id=6643278">https://www.alternet.org/2021/08/south-dakota-sturgis/</a></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="caret-color: rgb(49, 49, 49); color: rgb(49, 49, 49); font-family: Cabin, sans-serif; font-size: 17px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">“In 2020, the event was such a massive superspreader </span><a href="https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/motorcyclists-shrug-off-5-million-cases-for-big-weekend-in-south-dakota/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(11, 13, 101); text-decoration: none; opacity: 1; transition: color 0.25s, background 0.25s, opacity 0.25s; font-family: Cabin, sans-serif; font-size: 17px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%;">that 5 million cases could be traced back</a><span style="caret-color: rgb(49, 49, 49); color: rgb(49, 49, 49); font-family: Cabin, sans-serif; font-size: 17px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> to the rally.“</span></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Sep 4, 2020, at 7:14 PM, Henry Rivera <hrivera@alumni.virginia.edu> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span>We do that in Mass. But I see your point that all places should do so. The Feds could strong-arm standardization among the states by, say, making some funding contingent on it. We need(ed) better leadership for that to have happened if you ask me. </span><br><span></span><br><div><image0.png></div><span></span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Sep 4, 2020, at 5:30 PM, spike jones via extropy-chat <extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>-----Original Message-----</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Henry Rivera <hrivera@alumni.virginia.edu> </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: Friday, September 4, 2020 2:12 PM</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: ExI chat list <extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cc: spike@rainier66.com</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re: [ExI] bikers again</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>What does this refer to specifically?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Sep 4, 2020, at 4:08 PM, spike jones via extropy-chat</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>and the failure to break out nursing home deaths,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hi Henry, take all covid fatalities, separate all those who lived in a</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>nursing home or long term care facility.  List the numbers separately.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Here's an example of where that is being done:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>https://www.sccgov.org/sites/covid19/Pages/dashboard-cases.aspx</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>This is useful information.  The green bars are nursing homers.  Looks like</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>about half of the fatalities are there, and we already know the really</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>super-annuated almost all live in a nursing home.  But if we treat those as</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>two separate groups and do our demographics similarly, the risk to older</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>non-nursing homers isn't nearly as disturbing, and Henry there is a reason</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>why I keep going on about that.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Any distortion of the risk picture introduces new risks.  </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>For instance... my father's second cousin is one of my genealogy partners.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>He lives practically within walking distance of the hospital where I was</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>born (he was born there too) and has never moved.  It is a small hospital:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>everybody knows everybody there.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>When the covid emergency began, many regular customers stopped coming.  My</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>cousin continued but he isn't afraid of much (he faced the Viet Cong in</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>1963, a virus doesn't scare him.)  Not enough customers, the hospital had to</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>close its doors.  He didn't re-establish contacts at the hospital over in</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>the big city.  His prescriptions ran out.  Fluid built up around his heart,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>he wound up in the ER at the hospital he had previously refused to</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>patronize, hoping for the best with his congestive heart failure.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>He survived after a really bad night hooked up to the old blibbity beepers</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>(his term (wonderfully descriptive (not overly technical (but everyone here</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>knows what he means.))))</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>But otherwise he would be an example of a patient who died OF covid WITHOUT</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>covid.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Distortion of the risk matrix introduces new risk.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>spike </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>extropy-chat mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat</span><br></blockquote></div></blockquote></body></html>