<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">Why not Provence? Tuscany?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">The trouble with our country all stems from our government and its politics and war machine. The last necessary war was WWII. Since then they have made big messes all around the world and failed to clean them up. I am so glad to be out of Afghanistan - an unredeemable place that other countries have had a go at and failed like we did. Nobody could have succeeded no matter how many trillions were spent. Our government is still not listening to us. bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 27, 2021 at 3:17 PM MB via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
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On Fri, August 27, 2021 14:25, Dave Sill via extropy-chat wrote:<br>
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> Having pride in the accomplishments of one's country is OK, I suppose,<br>
> though I think real pride would come more from having an active role in<br>
> these accomplishments rather than a twist of fate.<br>
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> But expressing that pride...that's just arrogance.<br>
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Thanks, Dave. I've often wondered about this "proud to be an American"<br>
thing. Pride needs to be earned, at least that's how I see it.<br>
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That said, I'm mostly *happy* to be an American, glad I was born here,<br>
glad to live here. I grew up thinking America was a pretty cool country,<br>
and though the last few decades have me wondering about that... I'd still<br>
rather be here than somewhere else. :)<br>
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Regards,<br>
MB<br>
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