<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">Since we are way down the list of free places, I wonder just what the data show about people trying to emigrate to the free countries. Are we way up the list of popular places because we have so many welfare programs? (we are 1st as Google just told me) And citizenship for those born here (sneak across the border, have a baby, get permanent rights for your kid). Plenty of places are freer than we are, so I think it's the money they can get here. FYI, the top five destinations:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">USA, Germany, Saudi Arabia, Russia, UK</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">Clearly, those going to Saudi ARabia and Russia are not looking for more freedoms than they can find here or in Europe. bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 1:55 PM Max More via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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Bill (and, please, it's "Max"), the list is less overwhelming if you take a quick high-level look. That would involve first deciding what exactly it is (or exactly enough) you're looking for in ratings of freedom. Some of those lists are based on definitions
of freedom that I find useless and even backward while others match well with what I consider to be freedom -- essentially recognition and protection of negative rights. That lets you focus in on maybe two or three rankings at most so you can then drill down
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If you really want to figure out whether freedom is increasing or decreasing, as Dave said, you have to have metrics and you have to do some work. We are not equipped with a reliable freedom-sense!</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 31, 2021 10:52 AM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Dave Sill <<a href="mailto:sparge@gmail.com" target="_blank">sparge@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] Arrogance</font>
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<div>On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 1:02 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>There's little that can be done, but without metrics there's even less. At least such lists give people shopping for a place to live some useful information.</div>
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<div>Someone has to worry about these things or the situation will never improve.</div>
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