<div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 5 Oct 2021 at 07:26, spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div lang="EN-US" link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="m_3764736168710535184WordSection1"><p class="m_3764736168710535184MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="m_3764736168710535184MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="m_3764736168710535184MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="m_3764736168710535184MsoPlainText">An interesting discussion took place in this forum a few months ago when someone questioned my assertion that the US government does not have the authority to compel anyone to take a vaccine. Turns out this is true: the US constitution Amendment 4 insures that no one may be compelled to turn over their medical records, and it isn’t much of a surprise that vaccines may not be mandated.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_3764736168710535184MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="m_3764736168710535184MsoPlainText">However… the Occupational Safety and Health bureaucracy can require companies to require its employees to produce proof of vaccination.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_3764736168710535184MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="m_3764736168710535184MsoPlainText">The company is not required to verify the proof is genuine, only that the employee has proof of vaccination.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_3764736168710535184MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="m_3764736168710535184MsoPlainText">In the USA, the supply of the covid vaccine is not a problem: anyone can get a vax at any location offering them, at no cost, even if the person has no health insurance. The process requires no photo ID (they didn’t ask for mine.) This last part is important, for they cannot demand photo ID. If a teenage junky shows up claiming to be John Smith, birthdate 2-28-50, she gets the vaccination and a vaccination proof card like this one:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_3764736168710535184MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="m_3764736168710535184MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="m_3764736168710535184MsoPlainText"><img src="cid:17c4d70fea2155f77111" style="width: 584px; max-width: 100%;"><u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_3764736168710535184MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="m_3764736168710535184MsoPlainText">OK then, we know that in the USA if anyone needs proof of vaccination, they can hire a teenage junky to get that, and as far as I can tell there would be no practical repercussions for doing that. These are not photo ID and they are not currency, so even if it violates the spirit of the requirement, there are no laws broken there. The state legislatures have not passed any laws with regard to requiring that proof of vaccine must be proof that the person whose name is on the proof of vaccine card is the person who took the vaccine.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_3764736168710535184MsoPlainText"><span style="color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="m_3764736168710535184MsoPlainText"><span style="color:black">I learned yesterday that a vaccine card like this one, like the one I received, can be used to enter the vaccine into one’s medical record.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="m_3764736168710535184MsoPlainText"><span style="color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="m_3764736168710535184MsoPlainText"><span style="color:black">With all that, if we hear anyone say they suffered adverse health effects from the vaccine they were forced to take in order to keep their job, I would say to the contrary, no one is forced to take the vaccine in order to keep their job. They are only required to have proof of having taken the vaccine, which is not required to be genuine, and cannot be, for companies are not required to verify (and cannot verify in any case) that the card is genuine.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="m_3764736168710535184MsoPlainText"><span style="color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="m_3764736168710535184MsoPlainText"><span style="color:black">OK. Once I let that sink in, I have a conjecture I will share in my next post, some interesting data I think will come out of all this.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="m_3764736168710535184MsoPlainText"><span style="color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="m_3764736168710535184MsoPlainText"><span style="color:black">Commentary welcome.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto">No-one expects 100% compliance no matter what combination of enticements and sanctions is used. The aim is to get as high a proportion of the population as possible vaccinated.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div lang="EN-US" link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="m_3764736168710535184WordSection1"><p class="m_3764736168710535184MsoPlainText" dir="auto"><span style="color:black"></span></p></div></div>
</blockquote></div></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Stathis Papaioannou</div>