<div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 08:59, Darin Sunley via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">The risk is significantly less low. We have no idea just how much less low it is, but we do know this with absolute certainty: there is not a single figure in the media, government, or academia who will not lie their face off about the actual risk rate, and sleep well that night. </div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">What are they lying about and why are they lying?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 3:43 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a> <<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a>> <br><b>…</b><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">>…Now it comes down to how long we believe the vaccination confers protection. I was led to believe it was 2 to 5 years. But later reports suggest we still don’t know that. Israel was a heavy early vaccinator It changes the risk/benefit ratio of the conferred immunity is significantly shorter than we thought. This Israeli data might suggest the immunity from the vaccine might be short-lived, which really does impact the risk/benefit ratio:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><img src="cid:17c5cc1b80c5b006a1" style="width:479px;max-width:100%"><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">My apologies for grinding this subject into absurdity, but eh… that’s what I do best.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">The Israeli data seems to suggest that the immunity from the vaccine doesn’t last long or the virus easily mutates around it, so the Israelis caught a related corona virus.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I had assumed immunity for about 2 to 5 years, but if we learn that the immunity lasts only 2 to 5 months, that would explain the Israeli experience. If we learn that the vaccine really protects for only 2 to 5 weeks, then it changes the dynamic entirely. <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">We now suspect that if a medic’s error puts the vaccine into a vein, there is resulting heart damage. The risk is low of course. But if we find out it works for only 2 to 5 weeks, it is not at all clear that the vaccine is safer than not-vaccine.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Thoughts please?<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">spike<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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