<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">Product placement started long ago (though I have no data). Marketing through films and TV started there. Even though a lot of us fast forward through commercials, I can still tell what they are advertising (and to my knowledge I have never bought anything advertised in films, TV, etc.). It seems highly likely that a company wants the shows it pays for to do something for its bottom line. There must be pressure from them on the writers and producers of the game shows, dramas, comedies and so on to include some references to their products if at all possible. You won't see pantyhose references on Monday Night Football - you will see beer, fast cars, etc.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">Well, they are paying for it. What's wrong with it? It is just advertising, though many people may not be aware of it. Are people duped into buying stuff they don't need, want, can afford, and so on? Are they being manipulated? Every second of every day. We have a Consumer Protection Agency but you cannot protect fools.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">This reminds me of the flap in the 50s about subliminal advertising, which never did prove to work.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">I simply don't see anything sinister here, though many of them might be left-handed.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">Oxymoron - marketing ethics</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">bill w</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 8:55 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
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>...‘We just want to nudge you towards cleaner, healthier ways of living’<br>
sounds better than ‘We want to re-engineer your thoughts and habits to bring them into line with what we consider to be correct moral behaviour’....<br>
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BillK, is this just now coming to Britain? We have been doing that in the colonies since always. The popular press mostly instigated the war which broke us away from Britain to start with. Our current cultural civil war is being fueled by the popular press. Freedom of the press means that cannot be stopped.<br>
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Regarding Big Brother, I was thinking about something on which you might have insights. George Orwell was a British guy who wrote his most important work in the late 40s. By that time, he would perhaps recognize that the biggest audience was in the states. The USA is really tuned into the notion of growing government power and influence, which is why the constitution is written the way it is. 70 years later, Orwell novels are literature classics, being studied in American high schools to this day (thank you, may your memory live forever St. George.)<br>
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BillK, or anyone else, do you suppose Orwell himself realized he was writing novels specifically to appeal to Americans? If so, it worked.<br>
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