<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">Like the Japanese, the Chinese are a very proud people. They have been dominated by the Japanese to a certain extent and that motivates them. I think they are embarrassed that their country has lagged behind the West and Japan and now Korea, and they are desperate to catch up. They will burn coal or do whatever it takes to catch up. This is not time to hamstring your own efforts, they must think.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">Maybe they will moderate some of their stances when they do - we can only hope so. Their success at feeding their people has been extraordinary. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">American tends to view other countries as friends or enemies. We like to think that it is better to be cautious and treat someone as an enemy until they prove to be a friend. That is overly cautious. While we must remain on guard that a friend or neutral could become an enemy, we may be missing opportunities for an enemy to become a friend. If someone kept treating you as an enemy, what would you do or think?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">China could be the best friend we ever had. (Maybe it would help if we quit telling them how to run their country, esp. since we are far from blameless..)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">Love your enemies, the Bible says. Freud said that that was the hardest thing for anyone to do. Impossible, he said. I think not. bill w</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 9:36 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="gmail-m_6224068548786458097WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>BillK via extropy-chat<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 12, 2021 5:13 AM<br><b>To:</b> ExI chat list <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> BillK <<a href="mailto:pharos@gmail.com" target="_blank">pharos@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] totalitarian techniques<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 at 12:44, spike jones via extropy-chat<br>>>… We should be using market forces to do that. So far, markets haven’t chosen that as a high priority.<br>><br>> spike<br>> _______________________________________________<br><br><br>>…Fighting climate change has to be tackled at government level to pass<br>laws that apply to all companies.<br><br>>…But it is not going to happen. The next generation will have to<br>survive as best they can.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Ja. The fact that companies cannot compete if they spend their capital fighting climate change scales up to any company of any size. It isn’t a big leap of intuition to recognize that if a company is the size of a nation, that same principle still applies, and if we want to view nations as competing companies (they are, in a sense) then nations cannot compete with other nations if they spend their capital fighting climate change.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">The biggest player in all this (China) isn’t playing, not even trying. They have no intentions of fighting climate change. Their company strategy is to out-compete the other nations economically with a long-range vision of taking over the African continent, replacing the people who live there now with their own, living with climate change.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">spike<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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