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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13/11/2021 01:55, bill w wrote:<br>
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            ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">I would be glad
            to hear which of my ideas is outdated.</div>
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    <p>The idea that China somehow needs to catch up with the west, or
      anyone else. See:
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    <p>As far as ideology is concerned, I'm certain that the communist
      chinese think that everyone else needs to catch up with them!</p>
    <p>Even the idea that they can't innovate or do original scientific
      research, and have to steal other people's ideas is outdated:
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://hbr.org/2021/05/chinas-new-innovation-advantage">https://hbr.org/2021/05/chinas-new-innovation-advantage</a></p>
    <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/02/these-charts-show-how-china-is-becoming-an-innovation-superpower/">https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/02/these-charts-show-how-china-is-becoming-an-innovation-superpower/</a></p>
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            become more like us very soon:  they will stop making
            everything for Amazon because they will no longer have all
            that cheap labor.  I am increasingly seeing 'made in
            Bangladesh' and 'made in Vietnam'.  That trend will get
            bigger and bigger as the average Chinese gets more and more
            middle class.  bill w</div>
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    <p>I do hope you're right. I doubt it, though. Even if average
      citizens get wealthier, automation will easily replace human
      labour, and the chinese government certainly won't have any qualms
      about that.<br>
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    <p>Communist China is very different in outlook to western
      democracies. The whole 'group is more important than individual'
      mindset has been very successful there, even though it seems to go
      against human nature. Certainly the masses seem to agree with it,
      or at least acquiesce to it. The leaders probably see it as a
      useful tool for wielding power.</p>
    <p>I think that this rapid buildup of economic and technological
      power, combined with their totalitarian ideology, should be making
      us very worried indeed.</p>
    <p>Ben<br>
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