<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">Satchel Paige: "Don't look behind you. Some one may be catching up to you"</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">I don't think China is there yet, but it's gaining fast.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">spike tells me that he lives in a mostly ASian community and the Chinese people hate communism. The Hong Kong protests are just the first sign that totalitarianism the Communist way is doomed in the long run.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">Agree on the group/individual idea. That's all over Asia, not just China.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">Alfred E Neuman - 'What? Me worry"? I don't believe in worry. I believe in concern. We are still the hardest working people in the world last time I saw the figures. I have no idea how government can support the economy, but that's the most important thing. Not building more military strength. bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 4:22 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>The idea that China somehow needs to catch up with the west, or
anyone else. See:
<a href="https://statisticstimes.com/economy/united-states-vs-china-economy.php" target="_blank">https://statisticstimes.com/economy/united-states-vs-china-economy.php</a></p>
<p>As far as ideology is concerned, I'm certain that the communist
chinese think that everyone else needs to catch up with them!</p>
<p>Even the idea that they can't innovate or do original scientific
research, and have to steal other people's ideas is outdated:
<a href="https://hbr.org/2021/05/chinas-new-innovation-advantage" target="_blank">https://hbr.org/2021/05/chinas-new-innovation-advantage</a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/02/these-charts-show-how-china-is-becoming-an-innovation-superpower/" target="_blank">https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/02/these-charts-show-how-china-is-becoming-an-innovation-superpower/</a></p>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">China will
become more like us very soon: they will stop making
everything for Amazon because they will no longer have all
that cheap labor. I am increasingly seeing 'made in
Bangladesh' and 'made in Vietnam'. That trend will get
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<p>I do hope you're right. I doubt it, though. Even if average
citizens get wealthier, automation will easily replace human
labour, and the chinese government certainly won't have any qualms
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<p>Communist China is very different in outlook to western
democracies. The whole 'group is more important than individual'
mindset has been very successful there, even though it seems to go
against human nature. Certainly the masses seem to agree with it,
or at least acquiesce to it. The leaders probably see it as a
useful tool for wielding power.</p>
<p>I think that this rapid buildup of economic and technological
power, combined with their totalitarian ideology, should be making
us very worried indeed.</p>
<p>Ben<br>
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