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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>…</b>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] probability<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>>…<span style='color:black'>Spike - our college offered a statistics course in the Math dept. in addition to the one I taught. Talking with my friend who taught it, it was all about equations and derivations and nothing at all about how to use or misuse statistics. Which he did not know anyway</span>…<span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Ja, I marvel at how practical is the high school statistics course. If you look at all the equations in introduction to statistics, there aren’t that many of them and none of them are particularly complicated really. Note this assumes the non-calculus non-linear algebra based course, the first one taken by engineers, business majors and such. The calculus based statistics course is often an upper division, and the linear-algebra based stats would often be graduate level.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>>…M<span style='color:black'>y point: is Isaac getting the math end and the everyday use of probability in real situations? </span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Ja, and it includes combinatorics now a lot more than it did in the olden days, which is the most common real world application setting. Details cheerfully available.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>>…<span style='color:black'>and what grade is he in now</span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>10<sup>th</sup>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>>…A<span style='color:black'>nd do you know if all schools in the district teach it</span>?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>I do not.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>>…P<span style='color:black'>rerequisites? </span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Pre-calculus. It is considered an alternate path to the calculus, and has gained popularity over the decades.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>>…<span style='color:black'>I suspect his course will be too hard for most students and so they miss the practical applications of probability. bill </span>w<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Ja, entirely possible. Fun aside for those into competition math: the old tests for American Math Competition are available online, so a prole can compare modern tests to ones given 60 years ago. The most striking difference is that now nearly every competition includes a combinatorics problem or two, and sometimes three on the same test. If a prole does not know how to do those, she will suck. I am a poster-child example of that sad condition: I haven’t mastered the skill-set, but my son did, so now when we play a match he wins every time.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></body></html>