<div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 at 09:38, Darin Sunley via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="ltr"><div>What gets overlooked in all of these conversations is /the/ key difference between doctors and public health professionals.</div><div><br></div>When a doctor tells you "this treatment will save your life, but has a 0.05% chance of seriously injuring you", they have taken an oath to your best interests at heart.<div><br></div><div>When a public health professional says "this mandatory national health intervention will save most people's lives, but has a 0.05% chance of seriously injuring someone" it means they've decided that your negative outcome is acceptable to them.</div><div><br></div><div>The hippocratic Oath is thousands of years old. "Public Health" was invented in the 1800s. It's underlying philosophy is openly and explicitly tyrannical.</div><div><br></div><div>The 20th century was not exactly a ringing endorsement for government by highly centralized technocracy, in case anyone here wasn't paying attention. </div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Public health measures, mainly sanitation and vaccines, have done more good than all other medical treatments combined. I don’t want to live in a country where this good is held in contempt.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto"></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 3:29 PM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 at 07:39, Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="auto">For me personally it's far far less than 1% (I'm 29 and healthy,) for young healthy people it's more likely they die of a car accident or drug overdose.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Also, why does nobody in the mainstream ever talk about obesity with this? Pretty much every young person you see dying from this is obese. Yet of course we have this medically dubious "healthy at every size" movement that makes people feel good mentally at the expense of their physical health. People have no issue criticizing drug addicts but criticizing food addition is a no-no, apparently. Losing weight probably increases chances of survival more than a vax does</div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If only you could reduce the risk of obesity by 90% at the cost of $20 and a sore arm for a day.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 3:08 PM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 at 06:40, Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="auto">Nah, if you really get deep into internet communities you'll see even the vaxlovers are getting tired of this shit. <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I'm unvaxed and I still haven't gotten it. I get enough sleep, don't stress much, and practice caloric restriction. Same for my partner </div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Most people haven’t had COVID and most people who have had COVID did not get sick enough to end up in hospital. No-one denies that. But people don’t like the idea that there is a 1% chance of dying from it, even though it means there is a 99% chance of not dying from it. If 1% of planes crashed and killed their passengers, even the healthy ones who eat well and exercise, air travel would not be popular.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 12:34 AM Rafal Smigrodzki via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 12:05 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I keep hearing that the omicron variant looks and acts like a common cold. If so, this is exactly what was predicted: eventually a killer-flu mutates into something more contagious and more benign. What we still don’t know is if one brand of covid protects the catcher from the other brands. If it does, then omicron is the end of this tragic nightmare.</p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>### There is immunological cross-reactivity between various Covid variants, so an infection provides some protection against reinfection by multiple other variants. However, the tragic nightmare is a godsend to poseurs and power-grabbers, so I wouldn't be too optimistic that a mere lack of lethality will end it ;(</div><div><br></div><div>Rafal</div></div></div>
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