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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>….</b>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] vaccine dark humor<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222'>It doesn’t reduce to the percent chance of dying or the percent chance of going to the hospital. spike </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#222222'>??? I thought vaccines prevented the infection or lessened the symptoms if the person was exposed. Are these wrong? bill </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>w<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>We are told that it reduces risk regardless, but consider another model. We know that the elderly benefit a lot from these vaccines. I don’t think anyone will dispute that. Now start working downward. As you go down the age spectrum, the risk of dying while unvaccinated drops dramatically, while unknown risk goes up, since the young have more life ahead. For reasons I don’t understand, the young seem to be more susceptible to a side effect of myocarditis. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>For the very young, infants for instance, the medical community is not suggesting these vaccines are a good idea.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>OK then, good deal for the old, bad deal for the young. So… where is the crossover point? At what age is the risk for taking the vaccine a breakeven for the risk of not? Do estimate that age, first for the average person.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>OK then. We have seen a few fatal cases in teenagers, but in every case, there are circumstances, most commonly the patient was grossly obese or were diabetic, or both. OK then, no problem, for the obese and diabetic, move that breakeven age lower.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>What’s the opposite? Perfectly healthy, athletic, trim. For that tragically dwindling class of people, move the breakeven age older.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Break out those who have already had covid and survived (meeeeeee!) into a group, move the age higher (ja?) Break out a group who never leave their home (my neighbor) and raise the age for them. Break out pregnant women and serious consider just telling them no, because introducing mRNA has a lotta possible influences on a developing fetuses, and even if it does nothing, if the baby has health problems, are we sure that didn’t contribute? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>What about those with auto-immune diseases up the kazoo? Do we raise the age for them? How much? And those with known bad reactions to vaccines, raise the age how much? What about those who fly aaaaallll the daaaaam tiiiiimmmme as I useta hafta do for my career, the estimated breakeven age is lower for that crowd, ja?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>What about students? They are around a lotta people at school, but there aren’t a lot of cases there, so I don’t know on that one. What about those who get a lot of sunshine (that seems to have an effect for some reason.)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>My point: it doesn’t all reduce down to one number. Every case is different.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Billw the decision is easy for you and me. For us it is a go, easily predictable benefit, low-ish down side that I can see. For my 15 yr old perfectly healthy son, it isn’t clear which side of the line he is on, but I think he is below the breakeven age. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></body></html>