<div dir="ltr">That doesn't actually work in practice. If you simply try to eat less food, but your body is used to more, you get hungry. Literally, starvation instincts kick in, overriding mindfulness and will. I say "instincts" here to note this is akin to not flinching when picking up something hot, or not blinking when you see something about to hit your eye: those who claim it is a matter of mere willpower are wrong, based on the evidence.<div><br></div><div>Now, there are ways that one can adjust one's body to result in eating less calories (the important thing), and perhaps result in eating less food. But "simply eat less", as the direct causative action, is not one of them.</div><div><br></div><div>One example of something that can work: fill one's stomach with lower-calorie-dense substances, such as fruit and water, to put in conflict the "you need more calories" and "your stomach is full to near-vomiting" systems. (Emphasis: NEAR vomiting, as in "if you have one or two more bites" level. Going past this to where you actually vomit is not healthy. Stop when you're full enough that you can stop.) Since it is physically possible to not take in more calories but it is not physically possible to put more things in one's stomach in this state, the latter wins out. If this keeps happening, the body eventually gets used to less calories. (Don't do water-only, because the body still needs some calories and nutrients. Fruits and vegetables aren't the only possibility but they are the simplest in most cases.) Once the body is used to fewer calories, then lower amounts of higher-calorie-dense foods may satisfy the "do you have enough calories" system. One still needs to get used to eating less (or just get used to filling up on things like fruit and water on a regular basis), but this can be done after ratcheting down the alarms and instincts that press one to eat more.<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 9:17 AM Max More via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div dir="auto">For me personally it's far far less than 1% (I'm 29 and healthy,) for young healthy people it's more likely they die of a car accident or drug overdose.
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<div dir="auto">Also, why does nobody in the mainstream ever talk about obesity with this? Pretty much every young person you see dying from this is obese. Yet of course we have this medically dubious "healthy at every size" movement that makes people feel
good mentally at the expense of their physical health. People have no issue criticizing drug addicts but criticizing food addition is a no-no, apparently. Losing weight probably increases chances of survival more than a vax does</div>
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<div dir="auto">Nah, if you really get deep into internet communities you'll see even the vaxlovers are getting tired of this shit.
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<div dir="auto">I'm unvaxed and I still haven't gotten it. I get enough sleep, don't stress much, and practice caloric restriction. Same for my partner </div>
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<div dir="auto">Most people haven’t had COVID and most people who have had COVID did not get sick enough to end up in hospital. No-one denies that. But people don’t like the idea that there is a 1% chance of dying from it, even though it means there is a 99%
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<p>I keep hearing that the omicron variant looks and acts like a common cold. If so, this is exactly what was predicted: eventually a killer-flu mutates into something more contagious and more benign. What we still don’t know is if one
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<div>### There is immunological cross-reactivity between various Covid variants, so an infection provides some protection against reinfection by multiple other variants. However, the tragic nightmare is a godsend to poseurs and power-grabbers, so I wouldn't
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