<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 11:22 PM Stathis Papaioannou <<a href="mailto:stathisp@gmail.com">stathisp@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">So what is your position: IF at some future point it could be shown to your satisfaction that masks and vaccinations would save lives, but only if enough people participated, would it be reasonable to mandate these measures if voluntary participation were insufficient?</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="auto"></div></div></div>
</blockquote></div></div><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>### Let's posit the following situation:</div><div><br></div><div>A new virus created in a PLA lab in China is accidentally released. It does not kill men but it kills all women (the PLA was trying to make a weapon to sterilize all non-Han people but somebody forgot to clean the air filter at the lab, so an intermediate viral construct leaked out). Women cannot be vaccinated because the virus is designed to circumvent the immune system in women and kills them rapidly no matter what. However, the virus becomes partially dormant in men, does not kill them but continues to be shed in exhaled air, so any infected man is a walking woman-killer. A vaccine can however clear the virus in men, rendering them again safe to be around women.</div><div><br></div><div>In this world women can claim that men *must* be vaccinated, or else almost all women would die, or have to be confined to manless spaces with filtered air, which would be a major disruption to their way of life.</div><div><br></div><div>Would I support a mandate for all men to be vaccinated, or else be banished to a place far away from women? Sure I would, and I would come to the vaccination station as soon as possible (just as I got the Covid vaccine, in January 2020). A vaccine mandate here would be an efficient way of protecting those who cannot efficiently protect themselves in other ways. This is the important part - those ingroup members who are *unable to protect their own lives*, through no fault of their own, may have a claim on other ingroup members to extend protection to them, at least in some circumstances.</div><div><br></div><div>You notice how different this situation is from the covid hysteria, where the vaccine does not protect other people, everybody can be vaccinated, and everybody will be infected anyway, rendering them safer than the vaccinated ones, so no person can claim that other people *must* be vaccinated or else that person's life would be destroyed.</div><div><br></div><div>Such details make all the difference.</div><div><br></div><div>All of the above is just a verbose way of me saying that the mere claim, true or not, that vaccines save lives is not a sufficient justification for a mandate.</div><div><br></div><div>And don't get me started on masks, these dehumanizing, humiliating pieces of medically useless trash.</div><div><br></div><div>Rafal</div></div></div>