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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat<br><b>…</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>>…There are plenty of examples of viruses causing long term effects, up to decades later, but no convincing examples of vaccines doing the same. A vaccine is essentially a small part of the virus it is protecting against, so if you are worried about the vaccine, you should be more worried about the virus. The difference is that people can blame the doctor, the drug company, the government or even themselves for actively doing something that causes an adverse reaction, while putting down infection with the virus to bad luck… Stathis<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>No doubt, however I already caught and recovered from alpha before either vaccination, so natural immunity probably would have been sufficient. In retrospect, I cannot justify getting either vaccine, but what is past is past. We didn’t know anything at the time about the possible long-term effects and it wasn’t clear in October that the immunity is short-lived. Now there is emerging indications (from Israel) that getting the current vaccines protect against alpha and delta but may increase one’s susceptibility to the apparently far less lethal omicron, which may also have long-term health consequences.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>In retrospect, I am very surprised the medical community did not issue a guideline or suggestion if you have already had covid, don’t take the vaccine. It was clear by summer of 2020 that catching twice is unlikely. An excellent point made earlier is that we should have people in every group so we get some good data: those who didn’t catch and didn’t take, those who caught and took anyway (me) those who caught and didn’t take, those who didn’t catch and did take. Then we get four datasets.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>spike<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>