<div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"></div></div></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 at 09:19, spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)" dir="auto"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;padding:3pt 0in 0in;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225)"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat<br><b>…</b><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">>…There are plenty of examples of viruses causing long term effects, up to decades later, but no convincing examples of vaccines doing the same. A vaccine is essentially a small part of the virus it is protecting against, so if you are worried about the vaccine, you should be more worried about the virus. The difference is that people can blame the doctor, the drug company, the government or even themselves for actively doing something that causes an adverse reaction, while putting down infection with the virus to bad luck… Stathis<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">No doubt, however I already caught and recovered from alpha before either vaccination, so natural immunity probably would have been sufficient. In retrospect, I cannot justify getting either vaccine, but what is past is past. We didn’t know anything at the time about the possible long-term effects and it wasn’t clear in October that the immunity is short-lived. Now there is emerging indications (from Israel) that getting the current vaccines protect against alpha and delta but may increase one’s susceptibility to the apparently far less lethal omicron, which may also have long-term health consequences.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">In retrospect, I am very surprised the medical community did not issue a guideline or suggestion if you have already had covid, don’t take the vaccine. It was clear by summer of 2020 that catching twice is unlikely. An excellent point made earlier is that we should have people in every group so we get some good data: those who didn’t catch and didn’t take, those who caught and took anyway (me) those who caught and didn’t take, those who didn’t catch and did take. Then we get four datasets.</p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div><div dir="auto">You were much more likely to have had some other respiratory virus if you had symptoms but no test very early in 2020, which I think is when you said you might have had COVID. In any case, natural immunity does not last, and it is still recommended that you be vaccinated. It is likely that there will be more variants like omicron arising which evade immunity from previous variants or vaccines, and a system will probably develop, as with the flu vaccine, whereby regular new vaccines try to anticipate the most common new variants. It’s unfortunately not guaranteed that new variants will be less harmful, and not guaranteed that they won’t evade vaccines, although so far it looks like a booster shot will at least reduce the risk of severe illness, if not infection, with omicron.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)" dir="auto"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" dir="auto"></p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u></p></div></div></div>
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