<div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 19, 2022, 4:23 PM Dave S via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><font face="arial, sans-serif">On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 3:59 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font face="arial, sans-serif">Much of our experience consists of realities that we create. Think of tastes: music, food, fashion.</font></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You're talking about opinions, not physical properties like mass, location, velocity, color, density, etc. Physical properties aren't dependent upon perception. A million people could say that an object weighs 1 pound, but that doesn't affect the actual weight of the object.</div><div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I'm not sure about that. If no conscious beings lived in this universe, then this universe could only be viewed from the vantage point of conscious observers in some other universe, and then this universe we are in would be only an abstract object from such a perspective.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">As an abstract object, those conscious observers in that other universe could say nothing of our universe's location, it's mass, or the masses if items inside it, velocities of things in our universe, durations of time, lengths of distances, etc. So in a sense, these physical properties are dependent on being directly perceived by beings within the universe. When the universe lacks shared first person plural perspectives, it becomes only an abstract object which at best can only be described mathematically as some static four dimensional structure.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Jason</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>-Dave</div></div></div>
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