<div dir="auto">"We" is all of us. I didn't get ANY covid vaccines (or covid). It doesn't change the fact that we are still in a cultural environment where people blindly trust "Science" and 'science-y' stuff without knowing anything about what they are talking about or about science in general. It is scary. <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Trust the experts! These NPCs think all scientists are moral paragon dedicated to truth or something. Such a naïve view. I remember being a kid and thinking all doctors, lawyers, teachers, etc were so smart and amazing. But part of growing up is realizing they are all just people. Some smart, some dumb. Some principled, others corrupt.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">These Science worshippers act like scientists would never do something like...a study paid by a corporation like coca cola designed to show sugar isn't bad. They did. Sponsored studies with hypotheses and methods designed designed prove a point are common. Ad are studies designed to prove a personal point. Sometimes a study shows the opposite of what the PI wanted so they destroy the evidence, or alter its presentation to keep supporting their view. Studies can be designed to essentially show any viewpoint is correct at a cursory glance, which is why experimental design is so important. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">But these NPCs don't know about experimental design. They don't know about the nepotism and other quid pro quos in the worlds of publication and peer review. They don't know that it's easy and not that uncommon for scientists to lie for money or pride. Because they aren't angels. They aren't clergy. They are people. And some people are corrupt, or stupid, or both.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I feel like the 'powers that be' (basically, shorthand for the most powerful people in government, corporations, agencies, clergy, etc) have honestly taken a lot of effort to obfuscate what science really is, which is a tool for examining reality. People scream "trust the science!!!" "trust the experts!!!" but when I show them scientific papers that disagree with them, they don't count those people as experts. Trust the science as long as it agrees with me! It drives me up the wall and honestly makes me sick. I can only hope we correct course soon because I fear things will get even more dystopian than they already are </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 4, 2022, 2:56 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="m_-603603726966536886WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>…</b>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Will Steinberg via extropy-chat<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] now they ask<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">>…People take vaccines like they take antidepressants and diet pills. They consume them all like candy without stopping even briefly to consider that they generate intense physiological reactions with serious effects on the body. Sometimes I have no hope that we will get out of this milieu… Will<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Ja. It isn’t clear what you mean with the term “we.” Plenty of people took only one vaccine, or took the initial double dose last spring, then never again. Some never took any vaccine.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">All antibiotics lose their effectiveness over time as the target organism evolves defenses or around the body’s immunity mechanism. Antivirals we might suppose would work the same way, for viruses also reproduce and evolve, even though they are not biotic.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">OK then, but that really isn’t the question I have had since about spring of 2020: what happens when some quad 3 obsessive compulsive takes dozens or scores of these vaccines? Does she get suppressed general immunity? Are there other harmful effects?<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Think about this Will: this vaccine was released into the population without the usual clinical trials (which take years and skerjillions of dollars.) Then proletariat was compelled, coaxed, bribed, cajoled, reassured and threatened into taking it. Now that’s a hell of a note: it wasn’t proven in either efficacy or risks, but proles were persuaded to take it.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">OK then. Well, there are some natural canaries in this mine: those who voluntarily take huge amounts of the stuff. We can assume it is kinda like vitamin C, where it doesn’t hurt you if you eat it like candy (and some do (and in large enough doses even that stuff damn well can cause harm (it leads to kidney stones in some people.))) Over time we have learned that the health benefits of the vaccine was overstated: it really isn’t just a simple one-and-done. You must keep taking it periodically, perhaps twice a year. <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">The natural question to ask then: if the benefits were overstated, were the risks understated?<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Next question: do we have any way of finding out?<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Next: are there not quad 3 obsessives who voluntarily took a bunch of these, so we can find out what happens in the extreme cases? What happened to these people?<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Considering that the vaccines have been around for over a year now, it is astonishing that we still don’t have the answers to those very basic questions.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">spike<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><img width="550" height="103" style="width:5.7291in;height:1.0729in" id="m_-603603726966536886gmail-m_2622171769074735049Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D84816.98A15560"><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br>extropy-chat mailing list<br><a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat</a><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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