<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">I agree about the music. But don't words like 'fork' come up in chess? You see the positions and the word applies. Similarly, the machine parts all have names and surely they arise at some point. But I think it is settled that we can think only in concepts. bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 8:56 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="gmail-m_149860099307555173WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 17 April, 2022 3:17 PM<br><b>To:</b> ExI chat list <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> William Flynn Wallace <<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [ExI] question from quora<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100%;border-collapse:collapse"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100%;border-collapse:collapse"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>Anton Castleton</b> requested your answer<a href="https://www.quora.com/qemail/track_click?al_imp=eyJ0eXBlIjogMzUsICJoYXNoIjogLTQ5MjgyMzg5Mn0%3D&al_pri=1&aoid=Lzhtqx8Vb1m&aoty=2&aty=4&cp=1&ct=1650189000361087&et=103&id=1d540f9eeca9417ca9d25a28e6020ec8&request_id=289&src=1&st=1650189000364682&stories=35369065174&uid=zGWPcMS0Aej&v=0" target="_blank"><span class="gmail-m_149860099307555173gmail-m-4437157435740264791renderedqtext"><b><span style="font-size:14.5pt;color:rgb(51,51,51);letter-spacing:-0.4pt">Is it possible to learn to think directly in concepts rather than words?</span></b></span></a><a href="https://www.quora.com/qemail/track_click?al_imp=eyJ0eXBlIjogMzUsICJoYXNoIjogLTQ5MjgyMzg5Mn0%3D&al_pri=1&aoid=Lzhtqx8Vb1m&aoty=2&aty=4&cp=1&ct=1650189000361087&et=103&id=1d540f9eeca9417ca9d25a28e6020ec8&request_id=289&src=1&st=1650189000364682&stories=35369065174&uid=zGWPcMS0Aej&v=0" target="_blank"><b><span style="font-size:14.5pt;color:rgb(51,51,51);letter-spacing:-0.4pt"><br></span></b></a><a href="https://www.quora.com/qemail/track_click?al_imp=eyJ0eXBlIjogMzUsICJoYXNoIjogLTQ5MjgyMzg5Mn0%3D&al_pri=1&aoid=Lzhtqx8Vb1m&aoty=2&aty=4&cp=1&ct=1650189000361087&et=103&id=1d540f9eeca9417ca9d25a28e6020ec8&request_id=289&src=1&st=1650189000364682&stories=35369065174&uid=zGWPcMS0Aej&v=0" target="_blank"><b><span style="font-size:14.5pt;color:rgb(51,51,51);letter-spacing:-0.4pt"><br></span></b></a><a href="https://www.quora.com/qemail/track_click?al_imp=eyJ0eXBlIjogMzUsICJoYXNoIjogLTQ5MjgyMzg5Mn0%3D&al_pri=1&aoid=Lzhtqx8Vb1m&aoty=2&aty=4&cp=1&ct=1650189000361087&et=103&id=1d540f9eeca9417ca9d25a28e6020ec8&request_id=289&src=1&st=1650189000364682&stories=35369065174&uid=zGWPcMS0Aej&v=0" target="_blank"><b><span style="font-size:14.5pt;color:rgb(51,51,51);letter-spacing:-0.4pt">Cognitive is not my field. What do you think? Or perhaps, how. I tried thinking of geometric figures but the words kept popping up in my mind. bill w</span></b></a>l<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Of course. I can think of a coupla good examples that do not go thru words at all. An instrumentalist hears a jazz lick that he likes, plays it back with trimmings on his own horn. No words are spoken. A chess player plays over a game by a couple of grandmasters, learns come cool tricks, no words there. A mechanical engineer takes a machines apart, sees how it works, fixes it, thinks of ways to improve it, no words at all.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">spike<u></u><u></u></p></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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