<div dir="ltr">There are a couple specific fake drugs you might get like 25i-NBOMe instead of LSD but in general psychs are pretty clean. Mushrooms are usually mushrooms, acid is usually acid, DMT is usually DMT. The latter 2 are hypothetically easy for anyone to produce from legal items, too.<div><br></div><div>IMO the main danger of psychedelics would be longer-term mental issues like depression or paranoia. Usually the worst that would happen in an extreme bad trip scenario is someone thinks they have to go to the hospital (panic attack) and then has a shitty time there because a hospital is probably a pretty bad place to be tripping (or worse, jail or the back of a police car). But yeah I'd say long-term derealization/dissociation effects are worst case. Once you see the fabric that reality is made of, things can feel fake if you don't integrate that property.</div><div><br></div><div>It's like being in Conway's Game of Life and then SEEING the entire board and thinking "wtf, we're all just squares?!". The trick is to realize that life and consciousness don't distinguish between substrates so it's fine to be squares or whatever.</div><div><br></div><div>Of course the squarely SQUARE squares I'm squaring off with here won't care, for them it's neither here nor there...but if they dare to partake in the apparently perilous fare of a 3mmx3mm^2 square of Lysergsäure (which I would share) then maybe they could tear through the error of seeing what seems to be there as something (not squares,) and then be aware that we are but squares acting and acted in a square fable reflected and refracted on a square stage, and albeit strange they would be able and willing to pare that silly error filling their minds, and see through the cracks and the tears, as they reacted then they would in fact find that magic is...[BLACKED OUT, REDACTED] ;)</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 4:21 PM Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">On Mar 18, 2022, at 6:50 PM, spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Will Steinberg via extropy-chat<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] 27 psychedelics??</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">>…Why are you so against it? I don't really understand. Upbringing? It seems very anti-learning…<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Could be early perceptions are influencing my attitude. When I was a child, rock stars seemed to be dropping dead regularly. Judy Garland (ja I know she wasn’t a rock star, but liked her voice),</p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Judy Garland died from a barbiturate overdose — not from using psychedelics. </div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> Alan Wilson, </p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Wilson also died from a barbiturate overdose — not from using psychedelics. </div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Jimi Hendrix </p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>He died from asphyxiation after using barbiturates from choking on his own vomit. Again, not from psychedelics.<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">and Janis Joplin </p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>She died from a heroin overdose. Again, not a narcotic.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">were all in the same few weeks as I recall, Jim Morrison</p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Seems to have died of a heroin overdose too, though no autopsy was performed.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> was a little later, Mama Cass <span style="font-size:11pt">they half-ass tried to tell us she choked on a ham sandwich, but we suspect it was dope or perhaps heart failure. </span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Based on what? The coroner said she choked to death while eating a sandwich in bed. Why do you believe this to be in error? Anyhow, probably not psychedelics.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> It did seem like drugs were taking a lotta stars, </span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The drugs being barbiturates, heroin, and eating in bed — not psychedelics. (I’d hazard a guess alcohol and tobacco have probably done more stars in.)</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">and ja I realize acid ODs are not fatal usually but in any case, I do admire your openness and honesty about the risks, going crazy and vast nightmare realms. That last part has a poetic ring to it, but I would rather read about it in a poem than live it.</span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><br></div><div>The risks I’d be more worried about with psychedelics are a) not knowing what you’re getting — which could mean the dose level as well as impurities, both factors having to do with they’re mostly being illegal — and b) doing something dangerous while on them — such as deciding to walk into traffic. The second can be mitigated by having trusted people around to guide you.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Dan</div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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