<div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Yay, someone is finally talking about what I’m interested
in.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">It is impossible to communicate to a blind
person what redness is like for a reason.  This is because our
abstracting senses can tell us everything about how the neurotransmitter
glutamate reacts in a synapse.  But for the
same reason, such abstract descriptions tell us nothing of the intrinsic
colorness quality or quale of glutamate.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">An important part of all this is there are two
ways to gain knowledge about physics.  </span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">There is perception through our abstract
senses, and there is </span>direct<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> apprehension of intrinsic qualities (qualia) of
the resulting rendered conscious knowledge.</span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">  </span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">These two
different ways are compared in </span><a href="https://canonizer.com/videos/consciousness/?chapter=differentiate_reality_knowledge&t=290" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:blue">this
video segment</a><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Given all that, you could communicate to a
person with no eyes what redness is like, as long as you had a dictionary.  You would stimulate something in his visual cortex,
causing him to have an experience of directly apprehending and intrinsic redness
quality.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">Then you would say: ‘That is redness, and THAT
is what we are describing when we describe glutamate reacting in a synapse.  With that dictionary, he would then know what
you are talking about, when you say redness, even though he didn’t have any
eyes.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">You can’t know what an abstract word like ‘red’
means, without a dictionary.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">The redness quality your brain uses to
represent knowledge of red things with, is your definition of the word red.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial"> </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">A painting is composed of a bunch of different colored
pixels.  Similarly, consciousness is
composed of a bunch of computationally or meaningfully bound elemental
intrinsic qualities like redness and greenness. 
Simple as that.</span></p></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 2:53 PM Mike Dougherty via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 4:30 PM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div></div><br><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Something of that sort might partly explain the difficulties trying to verbally explain a qualia. Since we communicate audibly, describing a color using what are, after all, "just sounds" (speech), might be like trying to explain a sound in terms of smell, or a feeling in terms of a taste. These various qualia spaces corresponding to our different senses can have different dimensionality, or otherwise don't commute.</div></div></blockquote></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Tastes like purple</div><div dir="auto">You mean grape?</div><div dir="auto">No, I mean the cheap purple food coloring in knockoff Otter Pops</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Synesthesia is going to make eating your words much more interesting :)</div><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"></div></div>
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