<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">I don't give a pyramid's dust about substrate etc. But if two people say something is red, they are having similar experiences. That's the only way we can arrive at general truths accepted by most people. Are their brains doing identical things? Surely not, but surely they are similar. (only in the case of the red/green blind people will that not be true)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 11:07 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="gmail-m_-974450711577843934WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] Fwd: New article: EM Field Theory of Consciousness<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 1:51 PM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">>>…One of these days, I'll figure out how to describe this simple concept, and everyone will finally get it. Clearly, I haven't succeeded in describing this to anyone here, yet.<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">>…Is it not possible that at least some people here understand exactly what you are talking about and, based on the evidence, disagree?... Adrian<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Another possibility Brent: there are people here who read about qualia and go immediately to a related question that the qualia discussions spawn (in my mind): is consciousness and perception substrate dependent?<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">If different people perceive red differently, clearly perception is a function of how the brain is constructed, which differs between people (and beasts.)<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">When I recognize differences in perception of a concept such as red, it causes me concern that perception is substrate dependent (dang, I hope not.)<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">spike<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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