<div dir="ltr">The problem isn't even just professional athletics. You can't have meaningful athletic contests even at an amateur level between people whose hormone-influenced muscle density and skeletal architecture are too different.<div><br></div><div>Even within a biological sex, even at an amateur level, many sports require weight clases to keep the competitions even remotely meaningful. Weight classes are admittedly a blunt approximation of bodily optimality in, for example, wrestling, and are gamable to some extent, but without them you don't even have a sport.</div><div><br></div><div>For something like swimming, if the governing body doesn't want to fall back to sex essentialism [which it appears they have], they're going to need more finely grained divisions - some combination of height, weight, muscle mass, body fat percfentage, and shoulder width. They simply can't pretend anymore that excellence in their sport is independent of some very specific morphological qualities, and that anyone too far from the median in their division, no matter what they identify as, is simply going to curbstomp everyone else.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jun 5, 2022 at 9:04 AM Dave S via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Thanks, Dan. I agree that in the long run professional sports should probably go away. In the near term, we should consider dropping the distinction between men's and women's sports at the elite (serious amateur/professional) level. Gender-specific recreational leagues could provide opportunities for non-elite athletes to play and compete on a somewhat level field.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 9:42 PM Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><a href="https://youtu.be/cZ9YAFYIBOU" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/cZ9YAFYIBOU</a><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr"></div><div><br></div><div>This is mainly aimed at Spike. ;)</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Dan</div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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