<div dir="ltr">Making powerful enemies (and your local cops are powerful, at least locally) is a dangerous pastime, no matter what some "constitution" says.<div><br></div><div>Some people seem to have a very weird sense of entitlement about this.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 11:07 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"> saying that because some people didn’t get the</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">joke, it violated the law. bill k </span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"> I cannot believe that a judge (in this day and age, blah, blah, blah) would say such a thing. Many art cases have been adjudicated, and the artist can satirize anything at all, period. FREE SPEECH unless causing riots bill w</span><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div style="border-left:none;padding:0px;display:flex;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:medium"><div style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 20px;width:536.213px"><div id="m_-5264527421057746483m_-7908089022594761415m_7362335785964692043gmail-:dq" style="direction:ltr;margin:8px 0px 0px;padding:0px;font-size:0.875rem"><div id="m_-5264527421057746483m_-7908089022594761415m_7362335785964692043gmail-:dr" style="font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:small;line-height:1.5;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;overflow:hidden"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style="font-size:0.875rem;padding:0px;width:auto;border-bottom-left-radius:0px;border-bottom-right-radius:0px;border-top:none;margin:0px;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><div style="border-top:0px;padding:0px"><div style="clear:both;margin:0px;padding:16px 0px;border-top:none"></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 11:51 AM BillK via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">The Onion Files Hilarious Amicus Brief In An Important Case, And<br>
Actually Makes A Key Point In The Best Way Possible<br>
Tue, Oct 4th 2022 10:45am - Mike Masnick<br>
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<<a href="https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/04/the-onion-files-hilarious-amicus-brief-in-an-important-case-that-actually-makes-a-key-point-in-the-best-way-possible/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/04/the-onion-files-hilarious-amicus-brief-in-an-important-case-that-actually-makes-a-key-point-in-the-best-way-possible/</a>><br>
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The case goes back to 2016 when Parma, Ohio resident Anthony Novak<br>
(who enjoys writing comedy skits for fun) created a parody Facebook<br>
page for the Parma Police Department. It was pretty obviously a<br>
parody, talking about how the department “strongly discourages<br>
minorities” from applying for jobs at the police department. It also<br>
offered “free abortions” in a police van, and promoted a “pedophile<br>
reform event.” In short, it was a parody page mocking the Parma<br>
Police.<br>
<br>
In response, the Parma police arrested Novak, claiming the parody page<br>
disrupted public services. Really. Novak spent four days in jail and<br>
then was tried but thankfully acquitted by a jury. Novak then sued the<br>
city of Parma for violating his civil rights. That case has bounced<br>
around the courts, but the rulings have not been great. The district<br>
court granted qualified immunity to the police. The 6th Circuit rolled<br>
that back in 2019 with what seemed like a good ruling at the time<br>
(with the court rightly noting “The First Amendment does not depend on<br>
whether everyone is in on the joke.”)<br>
<br>
However, on remand, the lower court again decided that the cops get<br>
qualified immunity, saying that because some people didn’t get the<br>
joke, it violated the law.<br>
<br>
Novak has asked the Supreme Court to weigh in on whether or not a<br>
police officer is entitled to qualified immunity for arresting someone<br>
solely for speech parodying the government. It also asks the court to<br>
reconsider the entire doctrine of qualified immunity.<br>
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<br>
The Onion brief is quite funny in places, but it makes the point that<br>
satirical parodies depend on initially fooling people, then them<br>
realising it is a joke.<br>
The Supremes have not yet decided whether to take the case.<br>
<br>
BillK<br>
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