<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">William James called this entirely faith-based non-critical approach to belief "second-hand religion." Christopher Hitchens stated a number of times in his writing that most religions are borne out of a need to be governed, a need to place control of your own life in the hands of a benevolent dictator called God. When in North Korea he observed that the general response to a public appearance by Kim Jong Il seemed very much like religious hysteria. I think religion often remains unexamined because the personal impulses that drive people towards it remain unexamined. Fear of death, fear of uncertainty. fear of being alone, etc. <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>D. </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 8 Nov 2022 at 19:21, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">It's really kind of sad that most people don't look intellectually at their own religion. Maybe it just serves a purpose of giving them a public face of respectability and opportunities to meet people. But don't ask them to think! </div><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Contrarywise, I once taught an adult Sunday school class and one member told me that he had thought all week about what I said last week. What a compliment! bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 3:14 PM Gadersd via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>We are using the same word “complexity” to refer to different ideas. You seem to be referring to the conventional idea of complexity while I’m referring to a mathematical definition. Occam’s razor applies exclusively to the mathematical version, although many people erroneously believe that Occam’s razor refers to the conventional concept of complexity. It’s really apples and oranges.<div><br></div><div>I understand your point though. People are more willing to accept ideas that are simpler to understand at the outset. It’s easy to wrap an extremely convoluted idea into a bag and label that bag God without looking inside. All bags seem simple if one doesn’t look inside and see all the baggage.<br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Nov 8, 2022, at 3:46 PM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large">Of what I can understand from your post, which is not a whole lot, you are correct from your point of view.</div><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large">But from the point of view of the average person, God is quite a simple thing: an old man in a beard who lives in Heaven. Most don't think past that, certainly not to the depth your post displays. By extreme contrast, the many thousands of studies stemming from evolutionary theory are Greek to the average person, and therefore are invincibly complex.</div><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large">bill w</div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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