<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">Before my physical therapist turns it off at my request, I hear country singers. I noticed for the first time that they don't sustain notes much at all, like all classical singers do very often. It's almost like Rex Harrison in My Fair Lady: there is some change of pitch in his voice but it's mostly talking, not singing. Probably a term for it, but not singspiel.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"> Re tempo of tv shows: I think that when they got data showing how much money is spent, or spent on the behalf of teenagers and younger, TV lowered its targets to appeal to the younger set. All run by statistics. Of course TV has been dumbed down from the beginning - maybe they just lowered it more.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">You know, I spent a lot of time learning how to describe data and not nearly enough about how to interpret it. Why. How. These were very inadequately presented in my grad school. New on my lap is a book entitled The Book of Why, by Judea Pearl, a Turing Award winner. (interesting blurb from a guy described as Chief Internet Evangelist at Google (?)) Will let you know.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">Happy Thanksgiving to our greatest grandfathers/grandmothers - the cells which first learned how to divide and the one who incorporated bacteria, turning into mitochondria. And to you and your family. bill w</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:24px">In civilizations where information really is free and has been for a long time, they have bred a society with a general scarcity of inventors</span><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:24px">. </span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:24px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:24px">That is covered in the book I am sending.</span><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"> Often amazing: how often people, like rulers, don't notice the success of a neighbor country. Openness is one of the prime things that international trade demonstrated when they began sharing things: inventions, new spices, recipes- everything. No trade no innovations. Isolated tribes are the same as they were tens of thousands of years ago. bill w</font></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 5:18 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 23 November, 2022 11:49 AM<br><b>To:</b> ExI chat list <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> William Flynn Wallace <<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] fallout and female pop artists:: was: RE: lotta splainin to do<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black">I don't think I will be re-reading the Ridley book and will be sending it to you along with other one I promised - if you want it</span><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">…<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Good chance Billw intended this as an offlist.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Sure do Billw. I returned to the von Neumann book after being distracted by the excellent chapters on game theory. Fascinating subject.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">>…<span style="color:black">How do you even know Swift if you don't have a TV</span>?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">The internet is better than TV.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">>…<span style="color:black"> And does not having one deprive Isaac of learning about the contemporary culture</span>?...<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">It does that, but plenty of homes are similarly devoid of TV for the same reasons mine is: passive input of information without user control results in an I/O channel which is too slow, faaarrr too slow and too limited. Many people now in their teens, raised on video games, have not the attention span to suffer through any Hollywood movie made before about 1975: the pace is too slow.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Demonstration: find and download an episode of Perry Mason. Excellent drama, well-written scripts. Waaaay too slow a pace for modern audiences.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Demonstration: those of us who remember the first Star Wars in about the mid 70s recall how it felt like a roller coaster: the pace of the movie was just faster. OK view the first Star Wars now. Feels pretty normal, ja?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">>…S<span style="color:black">wift - it's not only the pretty face, it's the expressions she makes. If in some other universe she pointed a finger at me, I'd go along meekly without question. Women never did know the power they had over me if they had been more open about their attraction to me. In one case I would certainly have married her if she had been open about it</span>…<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">For most of us, it wouldn’t even require some other universe. This one will do.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">.>…<span style="color:black">The Renaissance did great things reducing the power of the church. If Jesus had come along seven hundred years ago he would have done much more than throw out the moneychangers. More needs doing</span>…<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Every time I read that story, I feel sorry for the moneychangers. They were providing a perfectly legitimate service: Hey man, I need two lambs and five shekels to pay off a temple harlot and one of the lambs to repent afterwards, the other for lunch tomorrow. Can you break a sheep?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">>…<span style="color:black">I have not thought about it enough to form an opinion, but Ridley makes a good case for changing the patent laws, which he says stifles innovation and invention. Ditto for intellectual property in general</span>…<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Ja the classic dilemma: information wants to be free, but content providers want to be paid. In civilizations where information really is free and has been for a long time, they have bred a society with a general scarcity of inventors<span style="color:black">.</span><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">>…<span style="color:black">But what happens to the poor writer, composer, who loses control over his creations as soon as he publishes them? Are we not ripping them off?</span>...<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Of course we are. Read on please.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">>…<span style="color:black">My college students did not care about the artists when Napster was ripping off the song composers. I called it theft and they just shrugged.</span> …<span style="color:black">bill </span>w<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Billw, this is an important observation. Back in the days when you and I were younger than we are now, there were the big bands, the Dorsey Brothers, Glenn Miller, and so on, then the bands shrunk to save money. Then later, the Beatles and such as that only had four fabulous performers, but as content became freer, its value went down. So now most of the garbage on the radio is made by one guy who doesn’t even know how to sing, or if he does, he doesn’t actually demonstrate it. He just recites angry poetry in a foreign language. All this because your students ripped off actual artists, such as the Beatles, on Napster.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">spike<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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