<div dir="ltr">Bought the book. Thanks, Bill.<div><br></div><div>Marx's scheme called for a substantial change in individual human nature, from what we might call enlightened self-interest to a predominant, nay overwhelming, concern for the welfare of others. The New Soviet Man in Marxism-Leninism called for the same. There is no "natural" mechanism to make this change, thus totalitarianism. We'll get used to it, more or less. Doesn't work.</div><div><br></div><div>Agree with Max re dictatorship not withering away, also.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>John</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 5:35 PM Max More via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-8972148430101969659">
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<span style="font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif">Presumably, Marx would say that they can't do Marxism without totalitarianism because that goes against the historical dialectic. Before the state can wither away, you must first go through a stage of
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<span style="font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif">Of course, Marx made a tiny little error in believing that a dictatorship would allow itself to wither away. On the contrary, every state tends to stuff itself with other people's money and power and become
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<span style="font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif">Perhaps I'm just being egotistical, but I'm sure the world would be better off by replacing Marxism with Maxism. (If you disagree, I will not have you imprisoned or shot.)</span></div>
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<div id="m_-8972148430101969659divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>> on behalf of William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 29, 2022 2:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> ExI chat list <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>>; <a href="mailto:extropolis@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">extropolis@googlegroups.com</a> <<a href="mailto:extropolis@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">extropolis@googlegroups.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> William Flynn Wallace <<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>><br>
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This is extraordinary, practically a course in ecology, told in stories of studies and experiments on lakes, African savannahs, etc.</div>
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He does NOT beat you over the head with stories of pollution and woe. They do get mentioned - esp. phosphate runoff from farmers who use too much fertilizer. And why can't they regulate that? Marxists are a big problem too in Africa. Why can't they try
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