<div dir="ltr"><div>"The Serengeti Rules" is on my reading list, I hope to read it soon. Must finish other books first.</div><div><br></div><div>Re Marx and Marxism, pasting from my spaceflight book:</div><div><p class="gmail-calibre_65">...So I decided to become a communist.</p><p class="gmail-calibre_65">I studied communism intensely. I thought I would love a society of equals where everyone strived selflessly toward common goals, but something told me that the real world is more complicated than books.</p><p class="gmail-calibre_65">I think healthy societies could be based on different economic and political systems, including capitalism and communism. In theory. But in practice, “Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite.” My interpretation of this quote (often attributed to John Kenneth Galbraith) is that many economic and political systems, which could work in theory, don’t work in practice due to our human nature...</p></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 11:35 PM Max More via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-1305890224116865865">
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<span style="font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif">Presumably, Marx would say that they can't do Marxism without totalitarianism because that goes against the historical dialectic. Before the state can wither away, you must first go through a stage of
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<span style="font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif">Of course, Marx made a tiny little error in believing that a dictatorship would allow itself to wither away. On the contrary, every state tends to stuff itself with other people's money and power and become
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<span style="font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif">Perhaps I'm just being egotistical, but I'm sure the world would be better off by replacing Marxism with Maxism. (If you disagree, I will not have you imprisoned or shot.)</span></div>
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<div id="m_-1305890224116865865divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt" face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>> on behalf of William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 29, 2022 2:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> ExI chat list <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>>; <a href="mailto:extropolis@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">extropolis@googlegroups.com</a> <<a href="mailto:extropolis@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">extropolis@googlegroups.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> William Flynn Wallace <<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [ExI] book review</font>
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'The Serengeti Rules' - Carroll</div>
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This is extraordinary, practically a course in ecology, told in stories of studies and experiments on lakes, African savannahs, etc.</div>
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He does NOT beat you over the head with stories of pollution and woe. They do get mentioned - esp. phosphate runoff from farmers who use too much fertilizer. And why can't they regulate that? Marxists are a big problem too in Africa. Why can't they try
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