<div dir="auto">Suffice to say the basement was a spook, that was never really part of it apart from the crazies. It's more generally just about a DC pedophile ring which is pretty much guaranteed to exist as these kinds of things happen wherever powerful people congregate--see also Jimmy Savile, Prince Andrew, Epstein, etc. And the fact that certain people in the DC socialite circuit posted some really really creepy stuff involving kids, and that led down some other paths to more creepy people. The basement and that guy with the rifle were always fringe and not really part of the theory.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In any case all I'm trying to say is that I was there as people were compiling the whole Paul Pelosi thing and it was messy and very unclear. Just not a great hill to die on in terms of fed lies since I think there are easier more presentable pathways.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In a way I also think I harbor resentment against people who just get the fox news conspiracy digest because I spend a good amount of time in the places where the sausage is made and they are hard places to stick around. Lots of very nasty, hateful people.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Dec 1, 2022, 12:50 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">Pizzagate, Will? Goings on in a pizza parlor basement that has no basement? Well, I am in ignorance of all the facts, so maybe it has a basement? </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">I stay away from most of this because all of us lack vital information about what actually happened in several of these cases. In that absence, any theory can seem valid to an extent. But what happened to Ockham? bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 11:33 AM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Spike, sorry but you're out of your element.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I'm MORE into conspiracy theories than you. I am more fringe than you. I literally saw that Pelosi theory emerge on the forums it started on. I am a primary source. I believe in Pizzagate and a 9/11 conspiracy for fuck's sake. The Pelosi hammer thing is tenuous and there are far clearer and better examples of the FBI lying. I'm not sure why you decided to cling to this one but I'm telling you that I was witness to its formation before it was chewed up and excreted on whatever tucker-carlson-esque conservaslop channel you saw it on.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I'm not being aggressive because I'm against you. I'm being aggressive because we are in many ways on the same side but you are choosing to regurgitate propaganda instead of actual nuanced argument. I'm telling you man the stuff you say just sounds like any fox news boomer, and I imagine your palette of sources and depth of research is about the same as that. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If you'd like to be convincing at least show sources, otherwise I will assume your source is a single bread-and-circus TV show segment.</div></div>
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