<div dir="auto">Again, communism doesn't require a government (anarcho-communism) and the governments you call communist are actually authoritarian capitalist (Russia, China). Idk why you are ignoring this point, it reminds me of the way John argues.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">You don't believe calling yourself a woman makes you a woman so why would you believe that China calling itself communist makes it communist? Everyone can see that it is not remotely communist anymore.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Honestly I'm starting to think that it could ONLY work in an anarchist system. The government is just the biggest corporation in a state and any co-ownership they have of the means of production is effectively taking it away from the workers.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Dec 2, 2022, 10:00 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="m_4680002428245918021WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>…</b>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] commies vs marxists was: RE: chinese fires, was:RE: book review<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">>…<span style="color:black">I get my garden seeds from Johnny's Selected Seeds, a company started 40 years ago by a R. Johnston. When he retired it became employee owned. It is still a fine business. I think it would be instructive to check out employee-owned companies and see how they compare in wages etc. to regular companies. bill </span>w<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Billw, you and I are old enough to know the story, me lad.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">In communism, the workers own the factories and the government owns both.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">But in capitalism, the workers have the option to own the factories with stock investment, and the press owns the government.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">That explains why we are seeing such a bitter dispute over Twitter, for the outcome of that culture war determines who owns the press and by extension who owns the government. May the good guys win.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">spike<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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