<div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;"><span style="font-family: system-ui, sans-serif; font-size: 0.875rem;">On Monday, December 5th, 2022 at 12:43 PM, spike jones via extropy-chat <extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org> wrote:</span></div><div class="protonmail_quote"><br>
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<div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 0.875rem;">>…OK, so you don't think that the people who elect and re-elect, ad nauseam, bad elected officials are fundamentally responsible? </span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">-Dave</span></p><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"></span></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"> </p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal">Sure we are, but also consider our times, when our own FBI appears to be corrupt and working for a particular party. How hard would it be for the FBI to rig an election? I don’t mean merely improperly influencing social media and starting false conspiracy theories, I mean actual voter machine tampering, creating counterfeit mail-in ballots, all that. </p></div></div></blockquote><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal">I think it would be extremely hard, and very likely to be discovered. You have 50 states to meddle with, all with their own rules, and many different voting systems.</p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><br></p><blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div class="WordSection1"><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal">Until we get rid of electronic voting machines and most mail-in ballots, we have lost trust in the election system as it is being run. So we don’t know if we keep electing and re-electing the bad guys in the two mainstream parties. We are told that is what is happening, but do you trust them? Neither do I.</p></div></blockquote><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal">Paper ballots aren't perfect. They won't make allegations of fraud disappear. Unless you're proposing that there's a vast bipartisan conspiracy controlling everything and orchestrating shifts in the balance of power, I am inclined to believe that voting fraud is not a significant problem. If that conspiracy does exist, paper ballots aren't going to make it go away.</p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal">-Dave</p>
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