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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<br>From: extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org> On Behalf Of BillK via extropy-chat<br>...<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>>... Maybe we'll be free to learn, think, do, travel, express ourselves, etc., without having to devote most of our lives to meeting our basic needs.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> -Dave<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> _______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>>...Maybe.... But more likely we'll google funny cat videos, send them to friends, and chat about them...BillK<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>Well sure, BillK, because that doesn't cost anything. Consider Dave's list: learn, think, do, travel, express ourselves.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>Three of those are free or nearly so. But that "do" business is ambiguous: depends on what (or who) we are doing. That "travel" is going to cost a looootta lotta money. For most of us, it will be three of Dave's five, with some of the fourth, but the discussion brings up a concept we were introduced to in college psychology (Billw can comment if he wishes, being the local expert) Maslow's hierarchy of needs.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>I just looked it up and discovered how not hip I am. Since Abe Maslow and I were chumming around in high school, the hipsters added a new item up there, transcendence. OK then, why… was.. that… necessary?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>Answer: a lotta modern fortunate people started right out with self-actualization:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><img width=312 height=306 style='width:3.25in;height:3.1875in' id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D90D3E.4C3F71A0"><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>They started there. Example: one of my actual college buddies has two daughters who were born and lived their lives in a nice area, well fed, nice home, safe, stable loving family, handed a great education (by the local school system) their home is gorgeous. OK then… what happens when they… like… grow up?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>That was in interesting case, because one of the two girls is very circumspect. She figured out that the whole self-actualization bit can wait until she makes damn sure she doesn’t need to deal head on with that messy physiological and safety business way the hell down there at the bottom of Maslow’s pyramid. Today she has a masters degree in hospital administration, is married and kicking butt wherever butt is to be found. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>The other… never really looked back that way (downward) but rather kept working on the whole self-actualization scene. She is still doing that. She has a side hustle going but not an actual… like… job. (If one only has a side hustle, does that make it a… central hustle?) She is single, in her 30s and lives in the home she grew up in, with her parents, and no reasonable plan for getting to transcendence that I can see.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>The reason I mention it: I know her parents well. We went to college together, and I know both their families. They damn well did work those lower levels on the pyramid, as did I, and our attitudes really are very different from our own children who never gained any familiarity with those levels down there.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>OK then. What happens when major corporations are being run by people who started out life working on self-actualization? Do they get to the point where the company is hemorrhaging money to the tune of millions a day, but the leaders fail to realize they are flying in steep power dive with an easily foreseeable near-term future?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></body></html>