<div dir="ltr"><br><div>P.S.</div><div>Can anyone recall how bad things were in this group on the topic of "qualia" before canonizer came along?</div><div>Everyone bleating and tweeting the same old TERRIBLE arguments for one side or another, over and over, add infinitem, every time someone mentioned qualia?</div><div>Then has anyone noticed how different things are once <a href="https://canonizer.com/topic/88-Theories-of-Consciousness/6-Representational-Qualia#statement">this emerging consensus topic on canonizer</a> showed up?</div><div>Instead of all the bleating and tweeting, now everyone just points to their current camp, and everyone can see the current state of all of our continued finally great discussions.</div><div>Heck even Stathis is now on the verge of admitting the <a href="https://canonizer.com/topic/88-Theories-of-Consciousness/18-Qualia-Emerge-from-Function">popular consensus functionalists are wrong</a>, right Stathis?</div><div>And functionalism has significantly decreased in consensus.</div><div><br></div><div>We never could have achieved that much progress without canonizer.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Brent</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 3:13 PM Brent Allsop <<a href="mailto:brent.allsop@gmail.com">brent.allsop@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div>Yes, Yes.</div><div>Please oh please, STOP all the <b><font size="4">Bleating and Tweeting</font></b> that is ripping society apart.</div><div>The business model of all these bubbly "social networks" is to find things we disagree on, then fan the bleating and tweeting flame wars as much as possible.</div><div><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlRnotq4npw" target="_blank">We won't be able to survive this</a> unless people do the work required to implement a solution to this problem.</div><div>No matter where you go on the internet, even the so-called "trusted news sources" and any so-called "peer reviewed Journals" someone can just call it "fake news", as is even evident on this long thread getting off on polarizing tangents, already.</div><div><br></div><div>We desperately need a trusted source of information, which can be achieved by building and tracking consensus on important moral topics. Nothing is censored on Canonizer, but you can't stop someone from creating a camp to point out how evil a camp is. And of course the good camps will achieve far more consensus than the haters in lonely camps, finally achieving some trusted sources of information.</div><div><br></div><div>Just FYI, our 3.0 from the ground up rewrite of Canonizer.com is about to go live, so it might finally be a bit more usable.</div><div>I trust all you guys so <a href="https://beta.canonizer.com/" target="_blank">here is an early link to our beta version of canonizer</a>. Do you think this is any better than the <a href="https://canonizer.com/" target="_blank">current 2.0 version of Canonizer.com</a>?</div><div><br></div><div>Nobody can do this alone. We need help from people to achieve a critical mass. Otherwise I fear we will all end up destroying ourselves as we approach the singularity.</div><div>Before you bleat or tweet something questionable, canonize it so people can have a chance to weigh in on, and build consensus around the most moral camp.</div><div><br></div><div>Building and tracking consensus is what I'm working to do differently!</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Brent</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 7:57 AM Dave S via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:system-ui,sans-serif;font-size:0.875rem">On Tuesday, December 13th, 2022 at 9:45 AM, spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</span></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite">
<div><div><p class="MsoNormal">In any case, Twitter has become my main news source because I can control it, unlike the mainstream press which chooses what you see and your only choice is take it or leave it.</p></div></div></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Arial;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Arial;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I don't use twitter as a news source, but that sounds like a great way to create an echo chamber. People naturally like them because they confirm their biases, but they really aren't a great way to stay informed.</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Arial;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Arial;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0)">-Dave</p>
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