<div dir="ltr"><br><div>Another problem is journals are hierarchically managed, and playing a primitive win / lose survival of the fittest game where the new revolutionary small guy can't compete against huge establishments and are censored. This is especially true in neural science. On the one extreme you have atheistic hierarchical neuroscience institutions that censor any words like 'qualia'. On the other extreme you have religious institutions and conferences arguing that qualia prove their particular religion is true. There is very little overlap nor cross communication between the extreme hierarchies.</div><div><br></div><div>Another problem is peer reviewed publications, like everything else on the internet, are just bleating and tweeting, with nobody measuring for success, or lack thereof. What I believe we need is a bottom up win / win system where everyone can indicate what they currently believe without censoring, and we can track it all. When papers are presenting various evidence and arguments, we should be able to track how many people they are converting. In the bleating and tweeting world peer reviewed article world, the quality of the papers are measured by anything that supports the bubble you are currently in (the establishment), how snarky they are and so on. But if you can track how many people a particular paper converts, that becomes the new measure of the quality of an argument/evidence/paper.</div><div><br></div><div>In wikipedia, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualia">you see this extreme divide</a>, where Dennett is listed as the leading critic of qualia. In contrast, on Canonizer, where you can push the less important things you disagree on down to supporting sub camps, out of the way of the consensus, you finally see <a href="https://canonizer.com/topic/88-Theories-of-Consciousness/21-Dennett-s-PBC-Theory">Dennett's current predictive bayesian coding theory camp</a>, in a supporting sub camp to the <a href="https://canonizer.com/topic/88-Theories-of-Consciousness/6-Representational-Qualia">Representational Qualia Theory</a> super camp. The stuff in the supper camp everyone does agree on is always far more important than all the stuff everyone disagrees on.</div><div><br></div><div>Also, this rise and fall article says that "over time" science wins, but the length of this time is the problem. Revolutionary ideas are way too often kept out of publications for WAY too long, and often require military might to overcome the establishment. On canoniser, where there is no censoring, you could be the first one in a revolutionary camp, along with all the lonely BS noise camps. Then, unlike the noise, you get someone else to join your camp, and everyone can see that as it happens. Then the two of you get 4, 8, 16, and scientific revolutions can finally happen at an exponentially faster rate than they can, today, since the signal can finally stand out from all the lonely BS noise. It is truly exciting to use the "as of" feature on Canonizer to look back in time. You can see new minority camps first appearing in the <a href="https://canonizer.com/topic/88-Theories-of-Consciousness/1-Agreement">theories of consciousness topic</a>. Then you can see them grow to the point of becoming a new leading consensus. Since this has to do with real scientific consensus, it is far more entertaining than something irrelevant like a horse race.</div><div><br></div><div>Publishing papers is good, you just need a way to track how good it is by how many people it converts. Instead of everyone just bleating and tweeting, why don't we start rigorously measuring for scientific consensus? That which you measure, improves.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 12:56 PM Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div style="display:block"><div style="display:inline-block" role="link"><a style="border-radius:10px;font-family:-apple-system,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;display:block;width:300px;overflow:hidden;text-decoration:none" rel="nofollow" href="https://experimentalhistory.substack.com/p/the-rise-and-fall-of-peer-review" dir="ltr" role="button" width="300" target="_blank"><table style="table-layout:fixed;border-collapse:collapse;width:300px;background-color:rgb(233,233,235);font-family:-apple-system,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="300"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><img style="width: 300px; height: 199px;" width="300" height="199" alt="24ab2184-c024-44c5-81cc-4bc14851b965_1762x1173.jpeg" src="cid:185844bf7d174a295091"></td></tr><tr><td><table bgcolor="#E9E9EB" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="300" style="font-family:-apple-system,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;table-layout:fixed;background-color:rgb(233,233,235)"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:8px 0px"><div style="max-width:100%;margin:0px 16px;overflow:hidden"><div style="font-weight:500;font-size:12px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;text-align:left"><a rel="nofollow" href="https://experimentalhistory.substack.com/p/the-rise-and-fall-of-peer-review" style="text-decoration:none" target="_blank"><font color="#000000" style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">The rise and fall of peer review</font></a></div><div style="font-weight:400;font-size:11px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;text-align:left"><a rel="nofollow" href="https://experimentalhistory.substack.com/p/the-rise-and-fall-of-peer-review" style="text-decoration:none" target="_blank"><font color="#A2A2A9" style="color:rgba(60,60,67,0.6)">experimentalhistory.substack.com</font></a></div></div></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></a></div></div><div style="display:block"><br></div><div style="display:block">No problems that can’t be fixed?</div><div style="display:block"><br></div><div style="display:block">Regards,</div><div style="display:block"><br></div><div style="display:block">Dan</div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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