<div dir="ltr">In a related story, and one of the most spectacular examples I've seen recently of attempting to bandaid over a sucking chest wound, New York City has "banned" students [and, for some reason, teachers] from using ChatGPT [which is to say practically, accessing it on school networks].<div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3p9jx/nyc-bans-students-and-teachers-from-using-chatgpt">https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3p9jx/nyc-bans-students-and-teachers-from-using-chatgpt</a></div><div><br></div><div>It's an interesting dynamic for educational institutions. right now they perform two separate functions - they teach, and they assess the learning, awarding credentials based on the assessment. [It's been widely argued that it's a conflict of interest for one institution to perform both functions, but here we are.]<br></div><div><br></div><div>Educational institutions are highly incentivized to, and have found ways to exploit significant economies of scale in both areas. They can teach large numbers of students quickly using large lecture halls, videos, automated educational software, etc. On the assessment side, they have been able to assess large numbers of students quickly and economically using large-hall examinations, scantron bubble readers, and of course, essays. It's this latter function that is under attack. Schools, colleges, and universities are about to experience a significant disconnect between how many students they can economically teach, vs. how many they can economically assess and award credentials to. It will be telling to see which side they, and the students, care most about.</div><div><br></div><div><div>If essays are trivially generatable, they are no longer a good assessment of education. Anybody trying to assess education, for positions where it really matters or to award a valuable credential, is probably going to need to fall back to the long-form interview.Just as it is an interesting philosophical question as to whether a tree falling, absent an observer, creates sound qualia, we find ourselves forced to ask - if a credential is easily fakeable, why should we care about it?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 3:05 PM Gadersd via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">Our highly competitive formal education system leads children to associate learning with stress. The inflexible system for scientific research dissemination sucks the pleasure out of scientific writing and results in tedious papers that are painful to read.<div><br></div><div>Learning should be inherently pleasant and self motivated, not stressful. Science should incite curiosity and wonder, not conjure tedium.</div><div><br></div><div>Technology is bringing change. Instructors can no longer flay students with mind-numbing busywork assignments as solutions can often be found online and AI technology such as ChatGPT is now capable of solving most problems students are faced with. Large language models are becoming better and better and are now capable of intelligently assisting with all forms of writing, eliminating much of the tedium. The days of pain will no longer be plenty.<br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jan 5, 2023, at 2:55 PM, Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="auto"><div style="display:block"><div style="display:inline-block" role="link"><a style="border-radius:10px;font-family:-apple-system,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;display:block;width:300px;overflow:hidden;text-decoration:none" rel="nofollow" href="https://experimentalhistory.substack.com/p/the-rise-and-fall-of-peer-review" dir="ltr" role="button" width="300" target="_blank"><table style="table-layout:fixed;border-collapse:collapse;width:300px;background-color:rgb(233,233,235);font-family:-apple-system,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="300"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><span id="m_2241289081392794507cid:4CDE7093-998E-43BD-A2D2-922EA040505B"><24ab2184-c024-44c5-81cc-4bc14851b965_1762x1173.jpeg></span></td></tr><tr><td><table bgcolor="#E9E9EB" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="300" style="font-family:-apple-system,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;table-layout:fixed;background-color:rgb(233,233,235)"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:8px 0px"><div style="max-width:100%;margin:0px 16px;overflow:hidden"><div style="font-weight:500;font-size:12px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;text-align:left"><a rel="nofollow" href="https://experimentalhistory.substack.com/p/the-rise-and-fall-of-peer-review" style="text-decoration:none" target="_blank"><font>The rise and fall of peer review</font></a></div><div style="font-weight:400;font-size:11px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;text-align:left"><a rel="nofollow" href="https://experimentalhistory.substack.com/p/the-rise-and-fall-of-peer-review" style="text-decoration:none" target="_blank"><font color="#A2A2A9" style="color:rgba(60,60,67,0.6)">experimentalhistory.substack.com</font></a></div></div></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></a></div></div><div style="display:block"><br></div><div style="display:block">No problems that can’t be fixed?</div><div style="display:block"><br></div><div style="display:block">Regards,</div><div style="display:block"><br></div><div style="display:block">Dan</div></div>_______________________________________________<br>extropy-chat mailing list<br><a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat" target="_blank">http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat</a><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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