<div dir="ltr">Getting back to Maslow's hierarchy, would there be a basis for evaluating children to see if their physiological and safety needs are being met, and to treat those whose are not differently from those whose are?<div><br></div><div>The obvious example that comes to mind is interventions to make sure that those whose needs are not being met, are met so they show up to school ready and able to learn, because the alternative is that their time in school is largely wasted and they may interfere with other children who are able and trying to learn. (For example, a girl who fears being raped or killed while at home might try to get detention as much as possible, as an excuse to spend as much time as possible at school - one of the multiple reasons detentions don't always work as punishments.)</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 10:37 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">If you want to see a real swamp pit stinking to high Heaven, delve into educational research. The topic of whether students should be separated by ability or 'mainstreamed' is a hot topic and I do not know the current status of those ideas in actual schools. It all depends on whether you want to consider that emotional damage (theoretical) will happen in students who do not make the upper levels of ability. I say separate. Students should get used to their place in the world. Being downrated might motivate them. You may have to put the top students in virtual learning rather than sitting in a class with others of lesser ability (where they would be tutors rather than learners). bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 12:18 PM Dave S via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:Arial;font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt;line-height:normal">On Saturday, January 7th, 2023 at 11:52 AM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</span></div><div><br><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt;line-height:normal">
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</span><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt;line-height:normal">Montessori - learn what you want to at your own rate. Friend of mine went to a school like that to the third grade. Moved to Oklahoma and had to be put back in the first grade - could not read or write - but boy could he fingerpaint.</span></div></div></blockquote><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt;line-height:normal"><br></span></div><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt;line-height:normal">Children can't be expected to know what they need to learn. Reading and writing are mandatory skills: learning them should never be optional.</span></div><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt;line-height:normal"><br></span></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt;line-height:normal">Motivation needs a place to go - to aim your efforts at. What if someone wasn't interested in anything a school had to offer? Both of my sons were like that.</span></div></div></blockquote><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt;line-height:normal"><br></span></div><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt;line-height:normal">Public school aims at the least common denominator. That ensures that critical skills are taught, but also ensures that intelligent, self-motivated students will be bored to tears. Obviously, different students need different teaching approaches.</span></div><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt;line-height:normal"><br></span></div><div style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt;line-height:normal">-Dave</span></div>
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