<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">What solution would you propose? I personally would have been much better off self-teaching on the internet as a child beyond the basics such as reading and writing which is mostly what I actually did, though I’m not confident this would work for most.<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 7, 2023, at 6:13 AM, Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" class="">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Thank god some other people think this.<div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">The whole current system is fucked. School sucks and I think it's likely the root of most our problems here</div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 6, 2023, 11:12 PM Gadersd via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" class="">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class="">I am almost completely self-taught. Self-motivation is what made this possible. Perhaps I underestimated the inherent curiosity of most people? I think humans are naturally curious and will master a subject on their own accord if they aren’t dissuaded. Formal education teaches children to associate learning with stress and examinations which results in children viewing reading and learning as a chore. This may reduce the likelihood<span style="white-space:pre-wrap" class=""> </span>of children choosing to learn in their free time. I never felt studying Physics to be a chore until I studied it at university. The bitterness still lingers.<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 6, 2023, at 6:46 PM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small" class="">Learning should be inherently pleasant and self motivated, not stressful. Science should incite curiosity and wonder, not conjure tedium.</span><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large">Have you ever tried to teach anything to anyone? If you think getting self-motivation etc. can be easily achieved, you are very wrong. Very idealistic - not practical. We do try, of course. Math esp. is hard to make fun. bill w</div><br class=""></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 4:05 PM Gadersd via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="">Our highly competitive formal education system leads children to associate learning with stress. The inflexible system for scientific research dissemination sucks the pleasure out of scientific writing and results in tedious papers that are painful to read.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Learning should be inherently pleasant and self motivated, not stressful. Science should incite curiosity and wonder, not conjure tedium.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Technology is bringing change. Instructors can no longer flay students with mind-numbing busywork assignments as solutions can often be found online and AI technology such as ChatGPT is now capable of solving most problems students are faced with. Large language models are becoming better and better and are now capable of intelligently assisting with all forms of writing, eliminating much of the tedium. The days of pain will no longer be plenty.<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 5, 2023, at 2:55 PM, Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div style="display:block" class=""><div style="display:inline-block" role="link" class=""><a style="border-radius:10px;font-family:-apple-system,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;display:block;width:300px;overflow:hidden;text-decoration:none" rel="nofollow noreferrer" href="https://experimentalhistory.substack.com/p/the-rise-and-fall-of-peer-review" dir="ltr" role="button" width="300" target="_blank" class=""><table style="table-layout:fixed;border-collapse:collapse;width:300px;background-color:rgb(233,233,235);font-family:-apple-system,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="300" class=""><tbody class=""><tr class=""><td align="center" class=""><span id="m_-8593841588904127873m_3451020818199044042m_6022679401500226103cid:4CDE7093-998E-43BD-A2D2-922EA040505B" class=""><24ab2184-c024-44c5-81cc-4bc14851b965_1762x1173.jpeg></span></td></tr><tr class=""><td class=""><table bgcolor="#E9E9EB" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="300" style="font-family:-apple-system,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;table-layout:fixed;background-color:rgb(233,233,235)" class=""><tbody class=""><tr class=""><td style="padding:8px 0px" class=""><div style="max-width:100%;margin:0px 16px;overflow:hidden" class=""><div style="font-weight:500;font-size:12px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;text-align:left" class=""><a rel="nofollow noreferrer" href="https://experimentalhistory.substack.com/p/the-rise-and-fall-of-peer-review" style="text-decoration:none" target="_blank" class=""><font class="">The rise and fall of peer review</font></a></div><div style="font-weight:400;font-size:11px;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis;text-align:left" class=""><a rel="nofollow noreferrer" href="https://experimentalhistory.substack.com/p/the-rise-and-fall-of-peer-review" style="text-decoration:none" target="_blank" class=""><font color="#A2A2A9" style="color:rgba(60,60,67,0.6)" class="">experimentalhistory.substack.com</font></a></div></div></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></a></div></div><div style="display:block" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="display:block" class="">No problems that can’t be fixed?</div><div style="display:block" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="display:block" class="">Regards,</div><div style="display:block" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="display:block" class="">Dan</div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">extropy-chat mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a><br class=""><a href="http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat</a><br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">
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