<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">A teacher in the early grades has to watch stereotyping their students. People mature at very different rates and some don't reveal their talents until much later. Teachers used to think that dyslexics (before that term existed or was understood) were just dumb.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">My high school counselor didn't think I could pass college level work. Showed her, eh?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 3:58 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">But at the same time, don't let the second or third smartest out of 30 or 100 think they're equal to the dumbest just because they're not the smartest. Likewise, don't let those who aren't smart yet think there is no way for them to become smarter, no matter whether that would or would not make them the smartest.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 10:31 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:24px">Back in the olden days, they never worried too much about hurting the feelings of the students. spike</span><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:24px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:24px">Nowadays they give participation trophies. I wonder what the kids think about them a bit later in life.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:24px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:24px">"What did I win?" "You got a trophy for showing up." "Well, I knew that I was there. So all I had to do was show up alive?" "hmmmmmm.........." </span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:24px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:24px">As I have posted, kids entering first grade think they are the smartest ones in the school. They soon find out, just like they do on the playground where the fastest, strongest kids rule, that they are not - maybe not even close. Should we work on self-esteem when kids are average or below?</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:24px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:24px">I say NO. It has to be earned to be meaningful. The kids soon know who is the smartest. We find these things out all through life: what we are good at, what we are poor at, what we might improve, what is hopeless, and so on. </span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:24px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:24px">And self-esteem can be too high - egoism, Dunner-Kreuger effects and so on. Teaching an average kid that he is worthy of high self-esteem ranks in the category with teaching that Santa is real.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:24px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:24px">Hurt feelings? Learn to deal with them. I am NOT suggesting that we be rough with kids, that we need to put them through boot camps to toughen them. But I am insisting that kids need to learn reality asap. Far too many adults are not that well acquainted with it!</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:24px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Comic Sans MS";font-size:24px">bill w</span></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 11:13 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 10:37 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">>…<span style="color:black"> separated by ability or 'mainstreamed' is a hot topic and I do not know the current status of those ideas in actual schools. </span>…<span style="color:black"> bill </span>w<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Billw, there was an educational tool that went in and out of favor over the years. As a student I loved em: SRA Reading Lab. Students could go at their own pace within limits: they were reading cards and doing reading comprehension tests to move up to higher levels.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Naturally it was motivating: the higher levels had more interesting reading material. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Controversial: everyone could see where everyone else was in their progress, the fast risers and the ground sloths. Back in the olden days, they never worried too much about hurting the feelings of the students.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Today they have a version of that called Personalized Learning. It is similar to SRA in many ways, but a student’s progress is not visible to the other students. There is nothing analogous to different colored cards.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">It might be supposed this is a form of separating students by ability.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">spike<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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