<div dir="ltr">Thanks for the feedback, that is immensely helpful. I really do wish I understood why people aren't interested in helping to reverse the polarization of society. Trust me, it's not cheap, nor easy, to constantly improve and maintain this system, finally with at least a few people helping.<div><br><div><div>Forgive me, but it's kind of hard to believe that me merely mentioning it less, will do anything when only a few people here are helping as it is. I guess I'm the only one bothered by all this nothing but painful and repetitive bleating and tweeting? After more than a year of a lot of personal hand holding, we are finally getting a bit of traction in the <a href="https://canonizer.com/topic/247-Sandy-City-Consensus-Project/1-Agreement">bottom up management of Sandy City</a>. Mayor Monica Zoltansky is now asking for our help to resolve some real polarizing and painful issues in Sandy City.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 11:33 PM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Kudos for only referring to your site and not linking it, lol. For what it's worth I like the site but I think it might be a better draw to people if you mentioned it less. As is, I kinda just gloss over when you link it because it's so expected at this point. Just a bit of constructive criticism!<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Anyway school sucks ass and the smartest person I know was 'unschooled'.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 8, 2023, 1:05 AM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Now that we’ve progressed beyond
writing papers, we simply need to track moral consensus about what everyone
currently believes is morally correct. So,
students could indicate this, in a consensus tracking tool, instead of writing papers. (Is my technically not a bleat or tweet since
it references canonizer worthy of any likes or retweets?)</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">All this so everyone, including
the AI, can correct the mistakes in their current beliefs, monitoring till
success, and vice versa for the revolutionary brilliant ones. Once an AI knows what everyone (including the
AIs) think is best and wants, the AIs would finally have a moral purpose.</p></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 10:40 PM Darin Sunley via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">AI is not the death of learning.<div><br></div><div>The compulsory undergraduate course, and before that, the rise of the undergraduate degree [and before that the high school diploma] as a socio-economic class signifier and middle-class professional credential. </div><div><br></div><div>Those were the death of education.</div><div><br></div><div>AI is merely the inescapable evidence of the senses that the putrefaction process is complete.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 9:03 PM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Extremely based</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jan 7, 2023, 2:34 PM Darin Sunley via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(15,20,25);font-family:TwitterChirp,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:23px;white-space:pre-wrap">ZIZEK: that AI will be the death of learning & so on; to this, I say NO! My student brings me their essay, which has been written by AI, & I plug it into my grading AI, & we are free! While the 'learning' happens, our superego satisfied, we are free now to learn whatever we want</span><br><div><span style="color:rgb(15,20,25);font-family:TwitterChirp,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:23px;white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></div><div><a href="https://twitter.com/LuminanceBloom/status/1600598003391266816" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/LuminanceBloom/status/1600598003391266816</a><span style="color:rgb(15,20,25);font-family:TwitterChirp,-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:23px;white-space:pre-wrap"><br></span></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 11:51 AM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Oh, that is great! Would love to have the actual quote.<div><br><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 11:30 AM Tom Nowell via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div></div>
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