<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Why should anyone care if something is merely a simulation or not as long as the result is the same?<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 12, 2023, at 1:20 PM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" class="">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: "comic sans ms", sans-serif; font-size: large;"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small" class="">We have seen that software can create abstract art better than some of the highest value modern painters. spike</span><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: "comic sans ms", sans-serif; font-size: large;"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size: large;"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:small" class=""><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif" class="">Who says? There is no accepted theory of the aesthetics of abstract art. Of any art. I don't like the idea of our going extinct, though that would be great for all the creatures on the planet. Machines can take over but they are not my tribe. You can get simulations of intelligence and emotions but that's what they are - simulations. billw</font></span></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 12:03 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" class="">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-9138406940392921190"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class=""><div class="m_-9138406940392921190WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in" class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><b class="">From:</b> extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" class="">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>> <b class="">On Behalf Of </b>Dave S via extropy-chat<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b> Thursday, 12 January, 2023 8:32 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b> ExI chat list <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" class="">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b> Dave S <<a href="mailto:snapbag@proton.me" target="_blank" class="">snapbag@proton.me</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] text singularity<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif" class="">On Wednesday, January 11th, 2023 at 6:46 PM, spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" class="">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><br class=""><br class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt" class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Reason has an interesting take on Vinge’s singularity, by focusing on a particular aspect. We think of a general AI singularity, but this writer Michael Munger looks at only how ChatGPT and its cousins will impact writing. He makes some really good points here:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://reason.com/2023/01/10/the-text-singularity/?utm_medium=email" target="_blank" class="">The Future of GPT4 Chatbot Text Production (reason.com)</a><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif" class="">>…<span style="" class="">Which points do you think are really good? I wasn't that impressed with the article.</span> <span style="" class="">-Dave</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal">Dave the article got me to thinking the capital S Singularity model is wrong. This is an extrapolation beyond the intent of the article of course. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">We have been shown repeatedly that most of what humans do does not require intelligence. We were most surprised when we found out good chess doesn’t require intelligence, followed by our current demonstration that intelligence is insufficient for the top levels in that once exclusively human activity.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">We found out that it doesn’t take intelligence to write a good essay. It still does require intelligence to write an excellent essay, but plenty of biological intelligence is incapable of a good essay. ChatGPT can generate good essays on any topic we choose. Do try it.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">We have seen that software can create abstract art better than some of the highest value modern painters. That isn’t AI.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">We are being shown that the future doesn’t need us. Even if the capital S Singularity never happens, human intelligence may be largely replaced anyway, using non-AI software. ChatGPT was a really big small s singularity in education. We are being shown that intelligence is no longer necessary to be a good teacher. It may be necessary to be an excellent teacher, but plenty of teachers are not able to match the level worthy of the rating of good teacher.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Cool. Now we have arbitrarily many free good teachers.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">spike<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">
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