<div dir="auto">Why is anybody talking about any of this stupid bullshit?<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Is is bad to breathe in alkanes? Definitely. Could it cause weird autoimmune problems just like other shit that is obviously bad to breathe in? Definitely. Is it clearly a small problem compared to all the other horrible shit that even more people, as well as the ones with gas stoves, are breathing in, drinking, eating, bathing in? Definitely.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It makes me sad to see these stupid nebulous divide and conquer nothing stories worm their way into what I had thought was a group of people who prided themselves on being above that kind of shit. Nobody is banning gas stoves, nobody gives a shit, just another pointless wedge issue of bread, circuses, and BULLSHIT fed to people who watch CNN or FOX or whatever, neither of which are media sources the consumers of which I really want to spend much time talking to. Especially on a list where people used to talk more about cool shit like time travel. At least there's a consciousness thread...</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I would like to vote for a ban of not only politics here but also politicized science and science-ized politics. In an ideal world I think it'd be nice to discuss politics in a reasonable manner but it's just awful to see that smoothbrain dreck pervade a group where people are supposed to be talking about how to reverse aging and travel to other galaxies</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 9:01 PM Stuart LaForge via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
Quoting sjatkins via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>>:<br>
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> Would someone more well-versed in the statistical argument presented <br>
> please critically examine the argument in this article. It looks <br>
> quite suspicious to me to go from a meta-analysis of other articles <br>
> that did not explicitly find a link between asthma and gas stoves to <br>
> a the number of gas stoves in existence and the rate of asthma plus <br>
> a bit of mathematical jargon to conclude 12.1% correlation between <br>
> asthma (much less) correlation and gas stoves in the home. Yet this <br>
> suspicious article is being widely referred to in MSM as support <br>
> from "the Science" for banning gas stoves.<br>
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> <a href="https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/20/1/75" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/20/1/75</a><br>
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> And of course those that question this latest bit of trumpeted <br>
> "wisdom" are being called "deniers" and worse as per quite sad usual <br>
> today.<br>
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I would point out a few things. First this was a meta-analysis which <br>
included a previously published meta-analysis published in 2013. So <br>
there has been no new data on this in over a decade. Furthermore none <br>
of the original studies could find a correlation, so the 2013 <br>
meta-analysis is the only evidence for any causal link. I would also <br>
point out that the authors disclosed that part of their funding came <br>
from RMI, which is a non-profit dedicated to a zero-carbon energy <br>
infrastructure. <a href="https://rmi.org/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://rmi.org/</a><br>
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So yeah, this paper is pretty suspicious and is not based on any new <br>
data. Generally, one can get a really good idea of the political bias <br>
of any scientific work by following the money.<br>
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Stuart LaForge<br>
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