<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000000">You give me somebody to write to about range hoods, and I'll do it. bill w</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 8:36 PM Stuart LaForge via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
Quoting William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <br>
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> Most useless invention (add your own favorites):<br>
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> Some hood fans are made not to exhaust in your attic, or even better,<br>
> through the roof, but back into the room, blowing hot air into the faces of<br>
> tall people like me.<br>
> All stoves, gas or electric, should have roof exits. bill w<br>
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I agree with this 100%. I lived in an apartment and imagine my shock <br>
when I realize that my ELECTRIC stove's exhaust fan was not on an <br>
external duct but simply blew the toxic smoke from burning food back <br>
into my apartment. This is, from personal data, so much a bigger <br>
effect than gas stoves on lung heath, that I think you need to write <br>
an article on this professor. I mean the very principle of a fume hood <br>
in chemistry lab, if your cooking generates cyanide gas, is that as <br>
long as it is properly vented to the outside of the lab, you the <br>
experimenter is perfectly safe. This is a huge insight, Dr. Wallace, <br>
and inevitably leads to the conclusion that proper exhaust of stoves <br>
is orders of magnitude more important than what fuel is used.<br>
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> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 2:34 PM BillK via extropy-chat <<br>
> <a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 at 19:36, sjatkins via extropy-chat<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Would someone more well-versed in the statistical argument presented<br>
>> please critically examine the argument in this article. It looks quite<br>
>> suspicious to me to go from a meta-analysis of other articles that did not<br>
>> explicitly find a link between asthma and gas stoves to a the number of gas<br>
>> stoves in existence and the rate of asthma plus a bit of mathematical<br>
>> jargon to conclude 12.1% correlation between asthma (much less) correlation<br>
>> and gas stoves in the home. Yet this suspicious article is being widely<br>
>> referred to in MSM as support from "the Science" for banning gas stoves.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > <a href="https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/20/1/75" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/20/1/75</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> > And of course those that question this latest bit of trumpeted "wisdom"<br>
>> are being called "deniers" and worse as per quite sad usual today.<br>
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>> Their maths is OK, but it is the assumptions that are mistaken.<br>
>> I found two articles pointing out the problems, one from US, one from UK.<br>
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>> <a href="https://slate.com/technology/2023/01/gas-stoves-asthma-paper-headlines-kids.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://slate.com/technology/2023/01/gas-stoves-asthma-paper-headlines-kids.html</a><br>
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>> Quote:<br>
>> Does this mean that gas stoves do not matter? No. But it suggests<br>
>> other things matter a lot more.<br>
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>> <a href="https://inews.co.uk/news/evidence-that-gas-stoves-cause-asthma-is-patchy-but-that-doesnt-mean-theyre-totally-safe-2095097" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://inews.co.uk/news/evidence-that-gas-stoves-cause-asthma-is-patchy-but-that-doesnt-mean-theyre-totally-safe-2095097</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> Quote:<br>
>> Put all this together and there is a credible case that gas stove use<br>
>> in the home at least exacerbates asthma symptoms. But since it’s a<br>
>> very low-cost, low-difficulty intervention, it probably makes sense to<br>
>> open a window while (or just after) using a gas cooker, or to use a<br>
>> cooker hood with a good extractor fan, especially if you have children<br>
>> nearby.<br>
>> --------------------<br>
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>> BillK<br>
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