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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>…</b>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat<br><b>…</b><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] lancet publishes information<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>>…Doesn't change the fact that the vaccine doesn't make you infectious, and cuts down on your tendency to spread the virus if you get infected…<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Do we know this as a fact, or does it need to stay as the leading theory? My reasoning goes thus: we are told that the vaccine does not prevent infection, but it reduces the severity of the disease. This would result in the infected being less sick and going about their regular business, which would result in infecting others.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>>…Also doesn't change the fact that never getting infected in the first place gives you better odds of a long, healthy life than attempting to survive an infection - especially, than deliberately getting infected…<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>That sounds reasonable. But some people have lives which require exposure to other people. Their lives might be made more dangerous by the vaccines, if the line of reasoning in my first paragraph is sound. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The British have also published in their most credible medical journals that getting multiple immunizations decreases resistance in the long run (because the T-cell function gets lazy or atrophied.) If so, the patient gets short term reduction in risk but possible long term increase in risk of death. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>While we ponder all that, the excess death rate worldwide (subtracting out covid-specific fatalities) remain well above average.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm">https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>spike<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, Feb 18, 2023 at 8:47 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Two years ago, claiming that natural immunity was as good as the mRNA vaccine would get your account suspended on Twitter as misinformation. Now the Lancet has found that natural immunity is better than the mRNA vaccine:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)02465-5/fulltext" target="_blank">https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)02465-5/fulltext</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Apparently at some point misinformation became information. The Lancet’s credibility is very high. The credibility of Centers for Disease Control on the other hand has been shredded. This is the problem with censoring disinformation on the internet: we don’t know what it is at the time. We cannot know at the time what is disinformation and what is information.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>spike<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>extropy-chat mailing list<br><a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat" target="_blank">http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></body></html>