<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><span style="font-family: system-ui, sans-serif; font-size: 0.875rem;">On Monday, February 20th, 2023 at 11:08 AM, spike jones via extropy-chat <extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org> wrote:</span></div><div class="protonmail_quote"><br>
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<div class="WordSection1"><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><p class="MsoNormal"></p></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 0.875rem;">The Turing test indicates only one class of sentience (he said, as we now have software passing the Turing test regularly (demonstrating our collective desperate determination to move the AI goal posts again.))</span></p></div></div></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-size: 0.875rem;"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-size: 0.875rem;">There's no "the" Turing Test. Even Turing described at least two variations. And they weren't defined sufficiently to be practical tests--and likely weren't intended to be used that way. The Wikipedia page <<span><a target="_blank" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test</a>> covers all of the variations and problems with implementation pretty well.</span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-size: 0.875rem;"><span><br></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-size: 0.875rem;"><span>In my opinion, a useful variation would be for an examiner to have two rate-limited text chat sessions active: one with an AI and one with a human, neither of which would see the dialogue in the other chat session. The AI would be instructed to pretend to be a human. The examiner would attempt to determine which subject is human and which is AI. There'd have to be other restrictions because things like writing a haiku or limerick are easy for, e.g., ChatGPT, but many humans would have a hard time with that. A sufficient rate limit could fix that but would slow down the test too much.</span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-size: 0.875rem;"><span><br></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-size: 0.875rem;"><span>-Dave</span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-size: 0.875rem;"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br></p>
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