<div dir="auto">This is a bad argument without numbers, and numbers don't even tell the full story, tbh.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Wearing a helmet in the car would be safer too. But we don't because 1) the marginal safety rate is too small and 2) it's not worth the authoritarian nature of forcing everyone to wear a helmet.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Not everything that increases safety should be done. The argument here is that the vax isn't effective enough, AND that, given that fact, it's not worth restricting freedom for. </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 20, 2023, 1:20 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Feb 20, 2023 at 1:00 AM Rafal Smigrodzki via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Feb 18, 2023 at 12:31 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Doesn't change the fact that the vaccine doesn't make you infectious,</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>### The mRNA vaccine fails to reduce your all cause mortality. Knowing this, would you still opt to take it? If it can't save your life, what for?</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It isn't about reducing all causes, just one cause - and it does reduce mortality from COVID.</div><div><br></div><div>Seatbelts don't reduce all causes, just fatalities from car crashes. I still wear seat belts.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"> and cuts down on your tendency to spread the virus if you get infected.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>### No change in viral spread proven after vaccination. And why would you want to reduce the spread anyway? You can't eliminate the virus.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That's what they said about polio. And measles. And too many others to quickly list.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Also doesn't change the fact that never getting infected in the first place gives you better odds of a long, healthy life than attempting to survive an infection - especially, than deliberately getting infected.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>### Never getting infected, as can be achieved through a lifelong lockdown in complete isolation from the rest of humanity</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Or as can be achieved by other methods. Again see polio, measles, and other examples history offers.</div><div><br></div><div>I reject your fearmongering and choose to live in reality.</div></div></div>
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