<div dir="ltr">Who cares about the Turing test?<div>Even the idea that the machine has to "imitate" or fake human behavior. I don't care about that and in fact it is a bad idea. We don't want machines to fake anything. It is already obvious when machines try to pretend to be humans in these convo people have where they provoke it for example. <br>I would rather do more interesting experiments like test the theory of mind of the AI like in this paper:<br><h1 class="gmail-title gmail-mathjax" style="margin:0.25em 0px 12px 20px;line-height:27.9936px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Lucida Grande",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><font size="2">Theory of Mind May Have Spontaneously Emerged in Large Language Models</font></h1><a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2302.02083?fbclid=IwAR2WbdZZRN5afuYWYKybjijTejN08I3EGUKkqt1__B793OWRGWid8slygeE">https://arxiv.org/abs/2302.02083?fbclid=IwAR2WbdZZRN5afuYWYKybjijTejN08I3EGUKkqt1__B793OWRGWid8slygeE</a><br><br>An another emergent property. <br><br>Giovanni </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 20, 2023 at 8:46 AM Dave S via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:system-ui,sans-serif;font-size:0.875rem">On Monday, February 20th, 2023 at 11:08 AM, spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</span></div><div><br>
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<div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><p class="MsoNormal"></p></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:0.875rem">The Turing test indicates only one class of sentience (he said, as we now have software passing the Turing test regularly (demonstrating our collective desperate determination to move the AI goal posts again.))</span></p></div></div></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:0.875rem"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:0.875rem">There's no "the" Turing Test. Even Turing described at least two variations. And they weren't defined sufficiently to be practical tests--and likely weren't intended to be used that way. The Wikipedia page <<span><a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test</a>> covers all of the variations and problems with implementation pretty well.</span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:0.875rem"><span><br></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:0.875rem"><span>In my opinion, a useful variation would be for an examiner to have two rate-limited text chat sessions active: one with an AI and one with a human, neither of which would see the dialogue in the other chat session. The AI would be instructed to pretend to be a human. The examiner would attempt to determine which subject is human and which is AI. There'd have to be other restrictions because things like writing a haiku or limerick are easy for, e.g., ChatGPT, but many humans would have a hard time with that. A sufficient rate limit could fix that but would slow down the test too much.</span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:0.875rem"><span><br></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:0.875rem"><span>-Dave</span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:0.875rem"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></p>
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