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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jason Resch via extropy-chat<br><b>…</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>>…We see recurring themes of information, recursion, computation, and machines and logic. I think these are likely key to any formal definition of consciousness. …Jason<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Jason, there is a reason I stopped worrying in the past coupla weeks that ChatGPT was going to cause the singularity. I am a big Hofstader fan, read Escher Godel Bach twice, cover to cover, invested a lot of time into that marvelous work. He convinced me that machine consciousness (or any other sentience or self-awareness) requires a type of recursion. Hofstadter goes on at length about recursion and self-reference, the importance of Godel’s work to understanding ourselves.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I tried to convince myself that two or more ChatGPTs could train each other on their own time, which is a form of recursion and self-reference, and that process could perhaps spring into a human-level AGI with a will, with self-awareness, of all the stuff we think of as us.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Now after studying GPT^2 discussions and GPT^3 discussions, they all seem to devolve to nothing. The technology I think is still coming for that process: two or more AIs training each other using background compute cycles, but I now don’t think ChatGPT is that technology or is capable of it.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>If you know of examples of GPT-GPT discussions or GPT-any chatbot that became interesting, do share please.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>That belief was behind my comment last week that ChatGPT is not really thinking, but rather is working language models. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I currently don’t think ChatGPT is the technology capable of causing the singularity. I am losing no sleep, not one minute of sleep over ChatGPT.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Oops, partially retract that last comment but in a good way: I am losing some sleep over ChatGPT, by staying up late to goof with it. It is the coolest software tool to come along in a long time.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>spike<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>