<div dir="ltr">It's very cool, and more than a little frightening.<div><br></div><div>It's so weird to see all the freaky stuff youtalked about when you were in your twenties play out in your forties. It's kinda like the opposite of Hunter Thompson's Wave Speech.</div><div><br></div><div>The philosophers will continue to make mouth noises until the wave of paperclip fabbers comes over the horizon, but for myself, I'm not really interested in any definition of consciousness where the prisoners in Plato's Cave are either conscious or unconscious depending on whether they are outside or inside the cave, with no other alteration to their neural architecture.</div><div><br></div><div>Consciousness may be dependent on many things, but one's position in space is not one of them.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 12:12 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-6421843461532515332"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="m_-6421843461532515332WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>…</b>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Darin Sunley via extropy-chat<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] LLMs cannot be conscious<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">…<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">>…Are we now moving the goalposts on consciousness to where nothing that isn't at least a virtual robot with sensors and manipulators embedded in a 3+1 dimensional space could possibly be conscious? Darin <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">The field could become its own moving company, with special equipment capable of handling goal posts. We have come to accept it with grace and only minor annoyance. If K2SO showed up, philosophers would argue with him about whether or not he is a sentient being.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I look at it this way Darin: even if it isn’t really AI, it’s cool anyway.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">spike<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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