<div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 8:23 PM Gordon Swobe <<a href="mailto:gordon.swobe@gmail.com">gordon.swobe@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 6:43 AM Jason Resch <<a href="mailto:jasonresch@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jasonresch@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><br></div><div dir="auto">I address this elsewhere in the thread. A sufficient intelligence given only a dictionary, could eventually decode it's meaning. I provided an example of how it could be done.</div></div></blockquote><div><br><br>I saw that, and I disagree. I think if you try to work out an example in your head, you will see that it leads to an infinite regression, an endless search for meaning. Like ChatGPT, you will learn which word symbols define each other word symbol, and you learn the rules of language (the syntax), but from the dictionary alone you will never learn the actual meaning of the words (the referents).<br><br>Try it with any word you please. You rapidly have a massive list of words for which you have no meaning and for which you much keep looking up definitions finding more words for which you have no meaning, and in your list you also have many common words (like "the" and "a") that lead to endless loops in your search for meaning.<br><br>-gts<br> </div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I see the word "Pi" defined by a string of 20 symbols which if I interpret them to be digits in base 10 I confirm to be the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter. This not only tells me about the number system used in the dictionary but also what each digit means.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I count 92 entries with the string "chemical element" in their definition. X number of which have the string "radioactive" and the other (92-X) have the word "stable". I confirm these must be the 92 naturally occurring elements and the atomic numbers listed in the definition tell me the names of each of the elements.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I find an entry that includes "H2O aka dihydrogen monoxide" under the entry "water". I know that this is the word used to refer to the compound composed of one atom of oxygen bound to two elements of hydrogen.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I find another entry for "ocean" which is defined as a large body of salt water. I don't know what large, or salt, or body mean yet, but the entry for salt contains "sodium chloride" which I infer means the iconically bound state that chlorine and sodium can form. I then infer that "ocean" refers to the solution of H20 and NaCl that covers 71% of the surface of their planet. Infer this as ocean is referenced many times in many other definitions so it must be significant. There are no other references to this solution with as many references.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The word "earth" says it is covered in 71% ocean and 29% "land". I don't know what land means but from our surveys of the planet we know that its surface area is approximately 71% H2O/NaCl solution and 29% solid material extending above the surface of the ocean. I infer "land" to refer to the projections of solid material above the surface of the ocean.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">And so on.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Does the above convince you that the words can be decoded purely from the patterns present in the structure and relations of the definitions and the data contained therein?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Jason </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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